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Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by Powerofmene on Saturday August 19, 2017 @08:45PM (#15056382)
This is much like the Great Value brand ice cream sandwiches that did not melt for hours when left in the sun. The more cream in an ice cream product the faster it melts.

In some cases slow melting may not be a good thing.

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by computerex on Sunday August 20, 2017 @03:47PM (#15059946)
You got that backwards.

> Ice cream melts based on the ingredients including cream. Ice cream with more cream will generally melt at a slower rate, which is the case with our Great Value ice cream sandwiches.

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/walmarticecream.asp

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by Powerofmene on Sunday August 20, 2017 @04:22PM (#15060089)
You are Corerect. I knew what I wanted to say then turned around and said it completely backwards. Thank you for correcting my error.

"Why didn’t it melt? According to Sean O’Keefe, a professor and food chemist at Virginia Tech, the more cream—meaning fat—ice cream has in it, the faster it melts. Nonfat ice cream takes longer to melt than fatty ice cream because it has more water in it.

“More water means the ice cream will have to absorb more energy before it can melt. Also, low-fat ice creams tend to have more air whipped into them, which allows them to keep their shape longer,” according to an article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette summarizing O’Keefe’s explanation.

When asked about its ice cream sandwich’s stubborn refusal to melt, Walmart gave a different, slightly less profound explanation: “Ice cream melts based on the ingredients including cream. Ice cream with more cream will generally melt at a slower rate, which is the case with our Great Value ice cream sandwiches.”

Walmart’s Great Value ice cream sandwiches contain corn syrup, guar gum, and cellulose gum—all ingredients that could also contribute to their failure to melt. Häagen-Dazs ice cream doesn’t have any corn syrup or “gums of any type,” said WCPO.

For the record, according to the FDA, it’s safe to eat ice cream with corn syrup and those “gums”—though maybe not after it has spent 12 hours in the sun."

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by zappo2938 on Sunday August 20, 2017 @01:25PM (#15059271)
They use seaweed to keep the shape. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrageenan#Production

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by kpil on Sunday August 20, 2017 @12:08PM (#15058963)
True. The wallpaper paste "ice creams" just get skin on the outside...

It's surprising that people doesn't recognize quality. Eg Ben & Jerry's seems to be popular but I never found one that wasn't made of too much low quality candy in cheap ice cream.

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by derekp7 on Sunday August 20, 2017 @02:05PM (#15059482)
The reason Ben and Jerry's became popular is because they were one of the first mass market ice creams that came in a bunch of unique flavors and add-ins.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by mobilefriendly on Sunday August 20, 2017 @07:06PM (#15060688)
They were popular before they were mass market.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by sosborn on Sunday August 20, 2017 @01:44PM (#15059366)
Define 'quality.' The point of food is to enjoy it. Others seem to enjoy Ben and jerrys even though you don't. It isn't a 'shame,' it's just circumstance.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by libeclipse on Sunday August 20, 2017 @03:51PM (#15059956)
Exactly. It's all about taste.

I think that comment was a little condescending. Personally I love Ben & Jerry's, and it's a little offensive that you think I "don't recognize quality" and I "only like it because it was first to market".

Allow that, it tastes God damned brilliant, and you can't take away from that.

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by notdang on Sunday August 20, 2017 @07:38PM (#15060834)
I can give you an example: Hershey's chocolate. For some reason people in US and Mexico seem to enjoy it.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by junkculture on Sunday August 20, 2017 @08:55PM (#15061162)
Hershey's is a category all by itself. The first time I tasted their products I couldn't believe that they sold at all, leave alone in volumes.

But if you've never tasted Lindt, you'd never know what you're missing.

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by bitexploder on Sunday August 20, 2017 @10:32PM (#15061526)
Look if people still eat fermented shark some of us can enjoy an occasional Hershey bar. Also, while good, Lindt typically contains soy products. There are a lot of very good milk and dark chocolates out there these days. Alter Eco 85% is my stand by. I know Hershey's doesn't have a local of cocoa content, but food tastes are as much culture as quality for some things.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by junkculture on Sunday August 20, 2017 @11:19PM (#15061688)
Fermented shark? TIL.

I don't personally know what's wrong with soy, but an excess of anything is bad in the long run.

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by bitexploder on Monday August 21, 2017 @12:23AM (#15061911)
Phytoestrogens. There are enough issues around them that I just avoid soy. I know the small amount in soy leichitin is not a really a big deal, but I try to be consistent and just keep it eliminated.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by chc on Monday August 21, 2017 @02:57AM (#15062480)
Hershey's chocolate contains milk, which comes from a pregnant cow, which produces actual estrogen in massive quantities. It also contains isoflavones (aka phytoestrogens) from the cacao. If you're eating dairy and chocolate while avoiding soy, you're probably paying too much attention to FUD.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by devotedtoneu on Monday August 21, 2017 @01:11PM (#15065982)
The writer likely has chosen an ingredient to focus on, I'm sure there are a laundry list of items that may expose an inadequacy of focusing on a specific item, however, his effort can be understood and he should not be called a hypocrite
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by chc on Monday August 21, 2017 @05:18PM (#15067941)
They contrasted two products, Hershey chocolate and Lindt chocolate, and said Lindt chocolate was worse because it contains isoflavones, when in fact both do. I'm not saying anyone's a hypocrite — I'm pointing out that the concern over "phytoestrogens" in soy is largely the result of pop-nutrition FUD, and in other foods (known by their more common name of "isoflavones"), they are commonly considered to have some health benefits.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by bitexploder on Monday August 21, 2017 @06:15PM (#15068240)
You are totally right, btw. It is very difficult to eat food based on any sort of nutritional principles. Start from a simple place: I want to limit my consumption of phytoestrogen compounds (isoflavones). Some of them are much stronger than others. Some foods you consume in much larger amounts than others. And, save for extreme cases, phytoestrogen hasn't been shown to cause any real problems in male hormones. Still, they seem worth avoiding.

I guess the point was, it really depends. If you are already getting isoflavones from particular sources and you are controlling for that, then it might make sense to avoid other sources as strenuously as you can (avoid Soy). Which, for me, the only real source of them in my diet is chocolate. Plus not all isoflavones are created equally. Some have stronger estrogen-like effects than others.

In moderation some health benefits. Anyway, I was just pointing out if one of your dietary rules is to "avoid soy" then use a different chocolate bar. It is very difficult to use scientific evidence to build a diet as there is a lot of contradictory evidence the studies available for a given nutritional topic are often of dubious quality. For example, try and take something like the book from T. Colin Campbell, The China Study, and make an evidence based opinion on if he is correct or not. Then look at the work by folks like Ray Peat. You can find endless supporting and non-supporting evidence for virtually any food or compound in food and it becomes a real mess to develop any sort of evidence based diet that isn't "controversial" to some large chunk of reasonably well educated people.

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by mattmaroon on Sunday August 20, 2017 @04:19PM (#15060071)
I'd say there are subjective and objective indicators of quality, and that just because a lot of people like it doesn't make it a quality product, at least from a certain standpoint. Bud light is not a quality product from a flavor or obedient standpoint, but in terms of price, consistency, and marketing it's great.

But as someone who knows something about ice cream, I'd say B&J is a relatively high quality product. They use mostly good ingredients and that used to be very rare of nationally distributed ice cream.

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by chrisseaton on Sunday August 20, 2017 @04:31PM (#15060118)
> Bud light is not a quality product from a flavor ... standpoint

Says who? Who can tell everyone else what their preferred flavours should be?

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by icebraining on Sunday August 20, 2017 @04:36PM (#15060136)
Nobody is doing that. I, for example, like plenty of things that I recognize as low quality.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by drdeca on Sunday August 20, 2017 @05:10PM (#15060268)
I'm not entirely sure that aesthetic realism isn't true.

Which, that's not to say that if someone were to have a different taste than the "objectively correct one" (assuming that one did exist) that they would be wrong to have it, but I consider it to plausible that someone's tastes (e.g. mine) could be in some proper sense, "incorrect".

There are a number of topics where I feel like, if aesthetic realism is true, my personal tastes probably do not really match up with the true taste.

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by ghaff on Sunday August 20, 2017 @03:26PM (#15059859)
I'm not convinced any of the national premium brands are all that great. I tend to agree on Ben and Jerry's. To my taste, most of their flavors are way too gimmicky.

I have a local ice cream place near where I live. I rarely buy ice cream from the supermarket any longer.

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by drewmol on Sunday August 20, 2017 @03:38PM (#15059907)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeni%27s_Splendid_Ice_Creams

Check out Jeni's for a premium brand that has some national distribution, as well as direct to consumer shipping from their website. It's $$$, but I used to be an ice cream connoisseur of sorts, and I think it lives up to the hype.

Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by mattmaroon on Sunday August 20, 2017 @04:17PM (#15060062)
It's local to me. Great ice cream but she doesn't use eggs and to my taste a good ice cream with eggs just has a richness Jeni's lacks. Her Uganda vanilla ice cream loses hands down to just a classic vanilla ice cream, made lovingly, with egg yolks, even though her beans cost 10x as much.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by drewmol on Sunday August 20, 2017 @05:34PM (#15060358)
Good point, but I thought traditionally 'Ice Cream' was w/o eggs, with eggs was 'Frozen Custard'. I prefer vanilla w/o eggs, but chocolatey flavors I prefer custard.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by ghaff on Sunday August 20, 2017 @05:53PM (#15060424)
I'm not sure there's any consistent nomenclature. With eggs vs. without is sometimes called French Vanilla vs. just Vanilla. But you'll find plenty of Vanilla recipes with yolks just called Vanilla. And for other flavors, you'll find tons of recipes with yolks still called ice cream. You're technically correct but I'm not sure how widely used "frozen custard" is.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by djeikyb on Sunday August 20, 2017 @07:16PM (#15060733)
there is even a third option! besides ice cream with no eggs and ice cream with cooked eggs, there is ice cream with uncooked eggs. i often hear the latter two options as "custard" vs "straight method".
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by ghaff on Sunday August 20, 2017 @04:05PM (#15060010)
Not sure I've ever noticed them but will keep my eyes open. Thanks.
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by koolba on Sunday August 20, 2017 @12:11PM (#15058976)
Are you referring to Walmart store brand ice cream sandwiches?
Re:Japan Is Selling Ice Cream That Doesn't Melt by Powerofmene on Sunday August 20, 2017 @04:15PM (#15060054)
Yes, Great Value is the WalMart store brand.