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Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by stevecalifornia on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:21PM (#15048034)
Move to Washington State. Don't pay California income tax. Instant 8% boost to your take-home pay.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by dawnerd on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:38PM (#15048164)
And if you're one of those people that really hate taxes, live in Vancouver, WA and buy everything in Portland.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by paulcole on Friday August 18, 2017 @04:23PM (#15049437)
combining the fun of sitting in traffic with none of the benefits of living in portland
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by whipoodle on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:52PM (#15048286)
Hope you love bridges. And waiting.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by spitfire on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:44PM (#15048218)
Or just point roberts.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by biggc on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:19PM (#15048509)
He meant Vancouver, WA. It's across the Columbia river from Portland
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by cosinetau on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:22PM (#15048042)
That, and Washington kicks hella ass.

Washington State. Not that Washington. The good one.(tm)

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by btilly on Friday August 18, 2017 @05:11PM (#15049756)
And hope that the REALLY big quake doesn't get you. You know, the one off your coast that is estimated at 100x anything that the San Andreas fault can produce.

See https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/08/a-major-... if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by cosinetau on Friday August 18, 2017 @06:03PM (#15050114)
Yeah dude. No one can talk about the PNW or California without spreading a little gloom and doom!

Nerds love gloom and doom!

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by Jesus_Jones on Friday August 18, 2017 @04:49PM (#15049625)
No, don't tell anyone. There are no jobs in Seattle, it's all a lie from Amazon, microsoft, facebook, hulu, google, tableau, memsql, and 1000 other startups.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by tonyedgecombe on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:03PM (#15048401)
From someone outside the US, I'm amazed that states vary their income tax so much, I would have thought it's a magnet for fraud and corruption.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by tomschlick on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:30PM (#15048607)
If it helps, think of the US as structured like the EU. Lots of common laws but lots that vary from state to state in the details (just like the separate countries).
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by gvd on Friday August 18, 2017 @05:46PM (#15050012)
WA will has higher property taxes. Or at least they get re-evaluated each year (unlike in CA)
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by cryptoz on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:23PM (#15048541)
> From someone outside the US, I'm amazed that states vary their income tax so much, I would have thought it's a magnet for fraud and corruption.

It is. Roads in the Bay Area are among the worst in the country, despite this region producing enormous corporate profits. Nearly all the companies here operate in an eternal tragedy of the commons, whereby nobody will pay local taxes because nobody else does. All the companies in California are actually Delaware companies, and the income inequality and quality-of-life disparity is a direct result of this kind of corruption.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by ryanwaggoner on Friday August 18, 2017 @06:42PM (#15050325)
All the companies in California are actually Delaware companies, and the income inequality and quality-of-life disparity is a direct result of this kind of corruption.

From my understanding, being a Delaware company saves you $0 in taxes. All of those corporations are registered as foreign corps in CA and paying taxes just as if they were CA-based corporations. Taxes aren't why you do DE.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by ringaroundthetx on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:44PM (#15048707)
> All the companies in California are actually Delaware companies, and the income inequality and quality-of-life disparity is a direct result of this kind of corruption.

Why would you call that corruption?

Corruption from whose perspective?

How much impact do you think that has on roads being maintained or not (or more generally, local/state funding and budget management)?

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by cryptoz on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:02PM (#15048874)
Look at the corruption like gerrymandering. Systematic wealth collection by mega corporations and individuals, structured to increase their wealth and the expense of the poor. A structure that allows for this is a corrupt structure.

To answer your question, I would say this has has high impact on the quality of life here, including the roads, education systems, policing, safety, and everything else in society. Everything is interconnected, and our society's structures are built with the assumption of no corruption. But there is a lot, it's pervasive and defining, and it has numerous consequences like poor quality of life for a lot of people in a high-expense area.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by ringaroundthetx on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:59PM (#15049279)
> Look at the corruption like gerrymandering.

> Systematic wealth collection by mega corporations and individuals, structured to increase their wealth and the expense of the poor.

What do these have to do with different income tax rates in separate states?

Its like you had a google alert on "corruption" and had all those responses on your clipboard regardless of the context.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by briandear on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:22PM (#15049003)
The Bay Area has some of the best schools in the country. Cupertino public schools for example. As far as roads, I don’t think you’ve ever driven in New Jersey: they have really high taxes and really terrible roads. Driving through Jersey City was like driving through Beirut – despite extremely high property taxes. Road quality has nothing to do with Delaware corporations.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by briandear on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:19PM (#15048984)
How does that cause income inequality? Taxes ought having nothing to do with income equality. The purpose of taxes is to pay for the operation of government, not to “solve” income inequality. Taxes are meant to pay for government. The United States isn’t socialist. I also don’t think you understand how corporate taxes work. A Delaware company operating in California does pay California taxes.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by ringaroundthetx on Friday August 18, 2017 @04:01PM (#15049293)
No idea how you got downvoted.

My approach was to ask OP for elaboration just for the comedy of watching their argument fall apart, but with the opportunity that they had a sound clarification or new information I hadn't considered.

Today we got comedy.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by ringaroundthetx on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:41PM (#15048687)
Can you elaborate on how that specific fraud and corruption would work?

Many states and some entire countries simply don't fund themselves by stealing from people's paycheck, but usually passively tax other kinds of transactions.

There are lots of opportunities using combinations of the 50 states, territories and non-US jurisdictions.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by tonyedgecombe on Friday August 18, 2017 @05:03PM (#15049710)
Tax isn't stealing, that is a rather silly argument.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by ringaroundthetx on Friday August 18, 2017 @09:26PM (#15051061)
I used inflammatory wording to get attention. But either way you should be able to perceive the relative morality of it whether "due process" is involved or not.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by tonyedgecombe on Sunday August 20, 2017 @10:32AM (#15058526)
I used inflammatory wording to get attention.

Why would you even do that, it adds nothing to the discussion, it just polarizes views. There are interesting questions to be asked about taxation and welfare but we aren't going to get that now are we.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by ryanwaggoner on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:14PM (#15050482)
They aren't necessarily, but they certainly can be.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by dgfgfdagasdfgfa on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:24PM (#15048060)
Denver is even better—competitive wages w/ washington & lower cost of living.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by MadManE on Friday August 18, 2017 @04:28PM (#15049471)
There is nothing competitive about the wages in Denver when you're comparing to CA. Cost of living is lower than SV, but still one of the highest in the country.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by dgfgfdagasdfgfa on Friday August 18, 2017 @04:49PM (#15049619)
Have any numbers you'd care to furnish? Cost of living may be one of the highest, but you can easily get a 2 bedroom or a house in the burbs for $1500. It's quite easy to allocated less than a third of your take home to rent, unlike SV, Seattle, NYC, Boston, etc.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by pilom on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:12PM (#15050473)
I agree with you, here are some numbers to back up Denver is great COL vs salary wise. I work remotely as a mid-level DevOps guy for about $115k and no equity. I bought a 3 br house with a yard next to a light rail station 10 min drive 20 min train ride to downtown. I bought during the recession for ~220k ($350k ish now) but rent in our neighborhood for a similar house would be $1800 total. If I were moving here today and renting, we'd rent a 1 br apartment nearby for about $1100.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by dsfyu404ed on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:42PM (#15048200)
There's a fire-hose of Californians directed at CO. In a decade or two they will have recreated the place they left.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by bcantrill on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:30PM (#15048602)
You're either new to Colorado or ignorant of your (adopted?) state's history: this phenomenon is as old as Colorado itself, dating back to the Colorado Gold Rush of 1859. You're welcome to complain about the people who followed you, of course (a phenomenon that's also as old as Colorado), but please do not pretend that you have an exclusive concession on a state that its inhabitants have been redefining since before you were born.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by ryanwaggoner on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:17PM (#15050498)
It's not just CO. It's literally every growing area, ever.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by dmode on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:44PM (#15049153)
Weird thing all those Californians are from somewhere else also
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by dbcurtis on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:53PM (#15048299)
It's already happened. Colorado politics has already moved sufficiently from libertarian to leftist that I would no longer consider moving there.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by dgfgfdagasdfgfa on Friday August 18, 2017 @04:15PM (#15049383)
It depends entirely on where in the state you are—the liberal places are mostly Denver, Fort Collins, and Boulder.

Colorado springs is one of the most conservative cities in America. In fact, I'd argue it's more libertarian than ever—hence the weed.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by ryanwaggoner on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:19PM (#15050506)
Sorry, but no. CS is uber conservative, but not remotely libertarian. They're fine with using the government to enforce morality, the antithesis of libertarian ideals. And the weed was definitely NOT driven by CS. The conservatives there think it's ruining their state.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by dgfgfdagasdfgfa on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:40PM (#15050597)
Sorry, the antecedent of "it" was "colorado" there, not colorado springs.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by meritt on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:58PM (#15048347)
The same can be said for WA, OR, and TX (Austin).
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by enraged_camel on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:17PM (#15048492)
I live in Austin. It's really not that bad. Sure there are many people coming from CA (like I did 3 years ago) but Texas in general and also Austin in particular have distinct enough cultures that they haven't become just another CA. Just my personal opinion of course.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by conductr on Friday August 18, 2017 @04:39PM (#15049551)
My near 40 years in Texas says otherwise. Yes, Texas culture is strong but the West Coast invasion has been felt. Less so in Austin because it was already a liberal place. Politics aside, the ethos was more similar to the West Coast.

We're used to waves of people moving in though and that's probably also what makes it somewhat less felt from the newcomers. We call ourselves the friendly state because of our welcoming attitude. However, I think if we ever flip from red to blue the pre-recession Texans are going to freak out.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by abakker on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:55PM (#15048321)
Strange, byzantine policies, too.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by derping69 on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:42PM (#15049142)
"The place we were at sucked so bad we had to leave, so let's move somewhere nice and make it just like it"
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by robotresearcher on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:52PM (#15049214)
The history of the world.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by adenner on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:59PM (#15049277)
Des Moines is the same way.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by WalterSear on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:34PM (#15048141)
But I don't want to work for Amazon or Microsoft or at Google's satellite office.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by dabockster on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:53PM (#15048296)
There's a ton of companies here that will hire you if you have the right experience.

If you're a new grad, however, expect to be out of work for a bit.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by WalterSear on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:23PM (#15048532)
Which proves my underlying point that the opportunities in Seattle pale in comparison to SF.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by Twirrim on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:51PM (#15048272)
It's almost as if you believe there are only 3 tech companies in Seattle.

Heck, those 3 aren't even the only big tech companies in Seattle, there's Apple, Facebook, Oracle, Twitter, etc. etc. let alone all the other smaller ones. There's more tech companies here than you can shake a stick at.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by ransom1538 on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:55PM (#15048328)
Apple - is in Cupertino

Facebook - Menlo Park

Oracle - Redwood Shores

Twitter - San francisco

Having an office with paint that says 'Twitter' doesn't mean 'Twitter' is in Seattle. Satellite offices are rarely taken seriously.

Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by andrewflnr on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:55PM (#15049245)
An office doesn't have to "taken seriously", whatever that means, to provide you a job, which is all we're talking about. WalterSear even mentioned a satellite office in his post.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by WalterSear on Friday August 18, 2017 @05:16PM (#15049785)
If the satellite offices are in Seattle, and the main offices are in the bay area, where are most of the jobs?
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by andrewflnr on Friday August 18, 2017 @06:00PM (#15050098)
Now you're just moving the goalposts. You don't need most of the jobs to have enough.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by WalterSear on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:44PM (#15050618)
Fair enough.
Re:A CEO Who Pays Employees to De-Locate from the Bay by seattle_spring on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:44PM (#15048217)
Then you're in luck, because there are a shitload of other tech companies in Seattle to choose from!