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Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by aianus on Friday August 18, 2017 @11:07AM (#15046836)
Why don't you like retailers storing your card? You get all the convenience with none of the risk (if there's any fraud the merchant eats all of it!).
Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by joecool1029 on Friday August 18, 2017 @11:18AM (#15046937)
For credit cards this is the case.

For debit cards, the dispute process is called Reg E and the consumer is out the money for a month or more until decided in their favor. So there's risk in storing a debit card number.

Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by benmowa on Friday August 18, 2017 @11:41AM (#15047142)
"if there's any fraud the merchant eats all of it!"

- not 100% true- see "fraud Liability Shift topics" Your card Issuer gets it if it's an EMV (ie chip was dipped) card-present transaction, merchant gets the liability if it was online or over the phone-Exception being if 3DS is used. Fraud is ultimately payed for either by your bank or by the merchant.

Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by icebraining on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:23PM (#15049016)
If the chip is present, then the merchant storing the card info is moot, no?
Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by benmowa on Monday August 21, 2017 @03:17PM (#15066962)
no because they can be breached leading to other transactions appearing on your card.
Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by clan on Friday August 18, 2017 @12:01PM (#15047338)
Because I would need to detect the fraud first. And fraudsters tend to be clever!

I hardly ever use cash anymore so my bank statements have a lot of action going on.

How closely do you monitor those?

Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by nostrebored on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:06PM (#15048417)
This is an astoundingly naive view of what credit card fraud costs. The merchants are not doing this charitably. Your cost will be amortized somewhere.
Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by aianus on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:36PM (#15048652)
Of course the products are all marked up to cover the fraud, but it's not like you can opt out of that markup so you might as well take advantage of the convenience.
Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by nostrebored on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:41PM (#15048686)
Surely you can see that an adoption of this strategy results in an inefficient allocation of resources...

It doesn't truly benefit you, hurts the merchant, increases prices for everyone.

Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by aianus on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:48PM (#15048747)
I would prefer a push based system like Bitcoin where I can assume 100% control and liability at near-zero cost but I know I'm in an extreme minority.

People love zero liability so that's where we are and we all have to pay for it.

Re:E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-C... by kuschku on Friday August 18, 2017 @11:09AM (#15046851)
If your card vendor does this stuff. Depending on where you live, this might not be true.