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Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by evangelista on Friday August 18, 2017 @12:55AM (#15043685)
This is going to be somewhat long and heartbreaking but I promise it will converge on an intelligent point at the end.

Every time I visit San Francisco, the heart of America's tech economy, I walk down Market Street and view dozens of adult human beings, many with traumatic brain injuries and psychological problems, living like animals, sleeping in tents, defecating directly on the ground and begging for help.

In the richest country in the world, at the very heart of the tech industry...let me repeat this again, we have scores of people living in abject poverty...exactly like animals.

After multiple viewings of this situation, I stopped looking at the homeless people and I started noticing the people walking past these individuals: Staring down at their phones, the residents of Silicon Valley have trained themselves to wear blinders to the abject, deplorable poverty of their fellow men. They are Tweeting, Facebooking, Instagramming, SnapChatting their lunch.

Solving easy problems. Making easy statements. Liking the right comments and the right posts, retweeting the appropriate social messages. So simple and easy! Click! Like! Done!

As I stood in line at one bodega, I noted the professional and skilled manner in which a white collar worker like myself standing in line completely failed to look at, respond to or acknowledge the presence of a drug addict who was begging him for change.

What a wonderful technique, I thought to myself. I had been doing it all wrong previously by even remotely acknowledging the homeless whenever they hassled me on the street. After observing this man's behavior, I adopted it. I learned: Just pretend they don't exist and they will go away.

So back to my main point:

Silicon Valley is a corrupt, horrible place that has decided it's #1 problem to be solved is the gender imbalance in software engineering. Instead of focusing on solving the clear, heart rending, abject poverty around them, the entire tech industry has collectively jammed it's head deep, far into it's own anal cavity and decided that the optimal use of all of it's social justice time should be on ensuring that highly privileged women who have attended universities and received educations which fairly guarantee that they will achieve salaries that only .01% of the entire globe will ever achieve are the most pressing concern of the moment.

Every single day I see nothing but a relentless circular pounding on this topic. Women must learn to code! Women must learn to code! Women must learn to code!

The other half of the issue is just as fun: Our #1 issue as an industry is that women who are in the very upper 0.5% of the world must earn slightly more money. About 3%-5% more money. Yes, THAT is the issue we must harp on constantly all day, every single day online.

And the people living like animals on the streets we are ignoring? Yeah, fuck them, lets teach girls to code.

Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by afpx on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:14AM (#15043765)
Where did you learn to derail a conversation so well? Curious, because I've seen similar tactics being used over the last couple months on other topics. Makes me wonder ...

Anyway, I'll be back in SF in a week or two. Please organize a group to address these poverty issues, post the time and place, and I'll donate some time.

Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by neilwilson on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:04AM (#15043727)
"Instead of focusing on solving the clear, heart rending, abject poverty around them"

That requires ensuring everybody that wants a job has one unless exempted by age or infirmity.

Having more jobs than people means that the workers have the upper hand in wage negotiations. They always have another option.

And if there is one thing business hates, it's having to compete - particularly for workers.

A society that cannot work out that healthcare should be based upon need, not ability to pay, is already moribund and dying on the inside.

Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by droidist2 on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:15AM (#15043766)
> Having more jobs than people means that the workers have the upper hand in wage negotiations. They always have another option.

Businesses would never let this happen though, they would just lobby the government to let them bring in more workers from other countries until they have the upper hand again. The third world has virtually an endless supply.

Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by PeterisP on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:15AM (#15043982)
It's naturally that they'll lobby the government for that, but it doesn't mean that they should or will succeed in that, after all, the (current) workers have all the votes that politicians want.
Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by mjevans on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:58AM (#15043916)
Isn't that exactly what 'fixing' the visa situation about? (Also, this is why I'm for giving those foreign workers on visas an easier route to becoming /citizens/ instead; and getting rid of indentured servitude visas.)
Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by pkaye on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:53AM (#15043900)
Businesses are run by people. Someone right here could choose to start a business and give the workers whatever they want in their wage negotiations. The question is can you do it sustainably.
Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by ewjordan on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:03AM (#15044140)
That we don't acknowledge every drug addict that we walk by does not mean that we don't care or are not acting in many ways to attempt to help them. It just means that stopping and giving cash every time we pass them is not a helpful approach; giving money to good charities and advocacy for better city policies does much more.

I'd also mention that interacting with some homeless people can be dangerous and deadly. I've been attacked a few times while living in SF because I used to have a rule of engaging the homeless as normal people if they approached me, back when I had naive principles; I don't do that anymore, after being assaulted twice, once with a knife. While only a small percentage of the homeless are dangerous, that small percentage really do kill people (3 murders via homeless-on-local violence within a block of my place over the past few years), so anyone can go fuck themselves if you think I'm being heartless for not engaging anymore. Self preservation trumps compassion.

Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by pkaye on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:47AM (#15043884)
Multiple things can be worked on at the same time. Different people have different priorities. Why don't you spend some time helping a homeless shelter and see what you can do? Or if not that, send some money to well run charities. Also the homeless problem existed in SF long before the tech scene and the high cost of living.
Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by TheAdamAndChe on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:17AM (#15043773)
Having women code has the potential to increase the tech worker labor pool significantly. I believe it's a PR move intended to lower IT costs and help make the upper 0.5% of the world even richer.

Most of the homeless aren't intelligent enough to code. Since no profit can be made from them, it's not a priority.

This is what happens when capitalism goes unchecked. Profit is the largest priority in the world.

Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by mc32 on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:51AM (#15043894)
If these companies want to get serious about women in the workforce, they need to get serious about getting women in the pipeline --from childhood.

Not by making it seem special or different and accommodating.

Make it cool --make young girls as excited about working in STEM as they are about working in TV or Hollywood, being a Pharmacist or Lawyer.

Trying to fix things after that is not as productive and is more interventionist.

While saying that, don't dissuade boys from it. Just keep on trying to persuade girls more. Offer more classes to accommodate everyone interested.

I mean, if the soviets could mobilize their women to be top notch scientists by creating a pipeline from elementary school on, so can we.

Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by euyyn on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:04PM (#15047880)
> has decided it's #1 problem to be solved is the gender imbalance in software engineering

lol

That you're sick of hearing something because you don't want it to happen doesn't mean that others are obsessed with it. It only means you're oversensitive to the topic.

Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by tomp on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:12AM (#15043971)
That's feminism for you. Focusing on things that barely exist (social differences between sexes), instead of what really matters (differences in wealth and class, i.e. "the 1%"). Deplorable, but I guess it makes sense in a way, because they know they'd be completely ineffective trying to attack the elites...
Re:Let’s Use Hard Science to Help Tech Companies Advance Women by bassman9000 on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:08AM (#15043738)
let's drill the idea that they must be coders into girls' brains, because they're not having it themselves

ftfy