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Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by cbuq on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:12AM (#15036425)
If you are referring to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never break me", clearly you have other problems with sympathy and empathy.

Free speech does not protect dangerous speech.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:30AM (#15036558)
Yes, it does. Explicitly and confirmed by several Supreme Court cases.

Here's a quick and current take on the issue from Eugene Volokh: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by jacksnipe on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:46AM (#15036700)
That's talking about hate speech, which is absolutely covered by the first amendment.

Sufficiently dangerous speech is not protected (Schenck v. United States, Dennis v. United States). Whether or not this speech was sufficiently dangerous is a matter of debate, but the comment you're replying to is correct.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday August 17, 2017 @10:01AM (#15036822)
I must have misread the parent comment then.

'Fighting words' as defined by the courts is a very very narrow definition, however, and I've seen a lot of really naive comments referrencing that exemption.

I think it's important to point out that almost every time you think speech is 'fighting words', it's not.

This has been proven in the courts over and over. If some idea or words really anger or disgust you, I can almost guarantee that it's protected speech.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by jacksnipe on Thursday August 17, 2017 @10:35AM (#15037119)
I know, which is why I'm trying to be clear that how dangerous this is is a matter of debate. Just because speech is political does NOT mean it is protected (see Dennis v. United States).
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday August 17, 2017 @02:27PM (#15039440)
To be 'fighting words', they have to be specific, actionable, and immediate. Typically, they also need to be specifically directed. 'Kill all the <insert chosen group>' is not. 'Kill those <specific bunch of persons> over there right now' is... probably...maybe.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by kristianc on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:50AM (#15036729)
That's talking about hate speech. Explicitly dangerous speech, or 'fighting words', as acknowledged in the article, are not a protected class of speech under the First Amendment, as established in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire 1942.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday August 17, 2017 @10:05AM (#15036861)
To be 'fighting words', they have to be specific, actionable, and immediate. Typically, they also need to be specifically directed.

'Kill all the <insert chosen group>' is not.

'Kill those <specific bunch of persons> over there right now' is... probably...maybe.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by lr4444lr on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:57AM (#15036784)
I challenge you to find even one instance of where citation of the Chaplinksy case has ever been used ever since the ruling itself to defend the merit of a clamp down on open speech anywhere in the U.S.

It's doubtful that the case would even be decided the same way today.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by kristianc on Thursday August 17, 2017 @10:13AM (#15036941)
There doesn't have to be. The decision shows that the Supreme Court intended to exempt a narrow range of abusive speech from constitutional protection.

It's true that the definition of 'fighting words' has narrowed considerably over the years, but the Chaplinsky case is foundational to the debate on what counts as free speech and has weighed heavily on subsequent judgments.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by lr4444lr on Thursday August 17, 2017 @10:27AM (#15037057)
the Chaplinsky case is foundational to the debate on what counts as free speech and has weighed heavily on subsequent judgments

It's been nothing but a hypothetical argument from the grab-bag of people looking to silence speech they don't agree with by people who write newspaper op-eds. It's never actually been used to deny anyone freedom of speech.

If I'm wrong, then cite its use.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by jsjohnst on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:38AM (#15036634)
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by leereeves on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:39AM (#15036645)
For example, if you're a screenwriter in Hollywood who once said something nice about communism...oh, wait.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by drunkenmonkey on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:18AM (#15036461)
See, and now you're attacking the character of a person: "clearly you have other problems".

This type of psychological attack is precisely the issue at hand with counter-nazi progress online at this precise moment in time.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by 0xfeba on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:58AM (#15036788)
Uh, ad hominems didn't just appear this year in counter-nazi speech. Really: "Many sides". Further, Nazi ideology and arguments are literally ad hominems anyway...
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by drunkenmonkey on Thursday August 17, 2017 @10:37AM (#15037132)
I think we can all agree that ad hominems must be put to bed.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by wu-ikkyu on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:38AM (#15036639)
The problem is who defines "dangerous speech"?

Dr. King himself was labeled as "the most dangerous Negro of the future in this Nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro and national security"

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by tw04 on Thursday August 17, 2017 @10:00AM (#15036813)
Dr. King wasn't calling for the "cleansing" of our nation. This "but it's a slippery slope" thing is ridiculous when the analogy is to someone who was seeking equality and peace. You know, the EXACT opposite of what these idiots are doing.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by wu-ikkyu on Thursday August 17, 2017 @10:15AM (#15036951)
Indeed, and yet Dr. King would likely have been censored on the internet by the EXACT same justification (he is dangerous to us) in the not so distant past, if the internet were around back then.

Which is why it is important to have equality of speech.

"Slippery slope" is a poor analogy for restricting speech. A more accurate analogy would be a double edged sword which cuts both ways.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by tw04 on Thursday August 17, 2017 @11:47AM (#15037807)
No, he really wouldn't have. You act as though the minority racists ran the entirety of the country and that's just not true. If your statements were based in fact he never would've gotten television or print coverage, and he got ample amounts of both.

You can keep saying that it will be applied to both good and evil until you're blue in the face but it won't make it fact.

If we allow the government to punish people for rape, next thing you know they'll be punishing people for consensual sex. It's a double edged sword.

That's really how ridiculous the argument sounds.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by wu-ikkyu on Thursday August 17, 2017 @12:17PM (#15038094)
Dr. King was in fact censored, ignored, slandered and misrepresented by the television and print media. Especially when he protested the war in Vietnam and began his poor people's campaign.

>You can keep saying that it will be applied to both good and evil until you're blue in the face but it won't make it fact.

How are you so sure corporate censorship can never be used for malicious purposes?

Was the war in Iraq a good thing? Because MSNBC censorsed/fired their popular TV host Phil Donahue for questioning it.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday August 17, 2017 @02:29PM (#15039459)
[EDIT] whoops wrong comment. I'll re-post this up one more level in the tree. My bad.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday August 17, 2017 @02:31PM (#15039476)
The Supreme Court defines 'dangerous speech'. Very specifically in fact. The First Amendment is one of the most well defined of the Amendments and has tons of legal decisions surrounding it.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by OCASM on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:45AM (#15036695)
Perfect example of the snowflake generation.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by DarkKomunalec on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:24AM (#15036518)
"Free speech does not protect dangerous speech."