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Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by y7 on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @08:11PM (#15032532)
This is in a way much worse than if they actually changed their policy. With this precedent, it looks like what they're saying now is "we're not policing content, except for when our CEO feels like it". Basically this is a clear act of corruption, given their own proclaimed principles of content neutrality. That the ultimate trigger seems to have been that the removed site said something negative about CloudFlare is also worrying.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by derefr on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:45PM (#15033051)
Is it corruption when a governor issues a pardon, or a president vetoes a bill? The point of an Executive is to be able to do act-utilitarian evaluations of context, while the organization itself is stuck following rule-utilitarianism.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by y7 on Thursday August 17, 2017 @04:35AM (#15034822)
Well, when a president convicts someone to a prison sentence because they said the president is a nazi, I'm pretty sure most people would call that corruption (if he bypasses the courts and written laws).

I agree not all principles can be effectively codified into rules, and sometimes exceptions are needed, but I do think the exceptions need to be in line with the bigger principles and ethical standards themselves. However I do not think this is the case here. It seems like a clear case of content policing, because the CEO did not like what the Daily Stormer had to say about him or his company.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by madeofpalk on Thursday August 17, 2017 @06:17PM (#15041571)
> Is it corruption when a governor issues a pardon

Well... umm... I've always thought this was a very strange perversion of the separation of powers and the fundamentals of our legal/justice system...

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by ryanx435 on Thursday August 17, 2017 @12:09AM (#15033751)
How do you feel about bakeries refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings?

Pretty sure this is the same concept.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by jachee on Thursday August 17, 2017 @12:54AM (#15033902)
Being a Nazi shithead is a choice.

Edit: downvote all you want. Parent is making a false equivalency and I'm just calling them on it.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by Sacho on Thursday August 17, 2017 @01:08AM (#15033950)
How do you know it's a choice? Do you know if people choose what ideologies to align with? Is it a choice to become an addict?

Moreover, a notable contingent of the supporters of the current ruling party believe "being gay" to be a choice - would you be comfortable with a law change?

I find this distinction to be wholly unconvincing. The reason to carve out exceptions for discrimination against gay people is because they've suffered as a minority - it's a practical matter, not a matter of principle. If you try to apply your "choice" principle, you quickly get into logical trouble - for example, does a child groomed by Nazi parents, who has always supported Nazism, have a "choice" to be a Nazi shithead? What if, a few years from now, we discover a chemical that changes your sexual preferences? Should gays stop being a protected class then? What about religion and political affiliation, also protected classes?

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by jachee on Thursday August 17, 2017 @01:20AM (#15033998)
Why are you being a Nazi sympathizer?

Edit: To your point, if I must: YES. Looking at someone, or a group of people and choosing hatred is 100.00000% a choice. Just like you choosing to defend Nazi shitheads was a choice.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by cmurf on Thursday August 17, 2017 @01:47AM (#15034077)
I don't think there's anything in the tech consciousness alone, that conveys the sheer individual and global damage WW2 did. Upwards of 80 million dead? I don't think people have any grasp at all what a struggle it was, how totally uncertain it was that Axis powers would be defeated, or the extent of human suffering enacted.

I see it as an extreme form of bullying where literally nothing else works other than murder or be murdered, it was law of the jungle, it was might makes right. And fortunately, the Nazis lost.

Equivocating on fascism? That's inherently dangerous. The reaction to equivocation isn't rational. It has a high chance of leading to an irrational, violent response: "sugar coating Nazis is going to get you lost teeth, as a courtesy, for not gutting you here and now".

I think it's worth being very careful about falling into a trap. It is possible to overreact to fake Nazi crap, there are a lot of stupid people. In an overreaction, it might give permission for a weak autocrat to declare martial law, and that's when the real ones come in. There is a nuance, and that isn't equivocating.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by FilterSweep on Thursday August 17, 2017 @10:51AM (#15037272)
> Is it a choice to become an addict?

If you are employing American Puritan-based philosophy, where neos are resurging, then that answer is a resounding YES, you have 100% agency.

despite the research on addicts at least being more ambiguous.

It would be the ultimate hypocrisy in their(your?) ideology to think otherwise.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by briandear on Thursday August 17, 2017 @03:31AM (#15034508)
Getting married is a choice.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by rpearl on Thursday August 17, 2017 @03:52PM (#15040234)
Wait the argument you are making seems to be "one chooses to be a nazi and hate, so we should stigmatize that" therefore "one chooses to get married, so we should stigmatize that"

Do you not see how the actual content of the choice matters? The fact that one is hate and one is love? It is not the fact that they are both choices, it is the fact that one chooses to be a nazi and advocate genocide

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by jachee on Thursday August 17, 2017 @12:47PM (#15038405)
Are you suggesting that people who don't want to be discriminated against should choose not to get married?

What kind of sick, sad world is that?

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by jbooth on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @08:52PM (#15032748)
It's better than if they had reverse engineered the policy. Do it or don't do it, but either way, stand by your actions and get outta here with the mealy mouthed BS. IMHO.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by humanrebar on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:16PM (#15032872)
I feel like a lot of Supreme Court decisions are reverse engineered. I'm not sure that bell can be un-rung.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by jbooth on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:23PM (#15032919)
That's different, the SC isn't an executive body.

An executive changing policy and then throwing up their hands, "I have no choice, it's the policy!" is dishonest and doesn't fool anybody.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by vacri on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:08PM (#15032833)
> The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology.

So basically Cloudflare are removing their services because of libellous statements by the client, not content. This isn't corruption, but Business As Usual. You fuck over your business partners, and they kick back.