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Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by mpweiher on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @05:04PM (#15022556)
Except that CS isn't a science, it's engineering. And it tracked down to the level of other engineering fields.

http://news.janegoodall.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/perce...

So the mystery is not why it went down, it was why it was higher initially.

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by izacus on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @06:44PM (#15023429)
Hmm, Computer Science is most definetly a science (which shares quite a bit with maths as expected). A lot of algorithms and data structures you use under the hood when doing engineering were born as a paper in academic CS sphere.

Of course, most CS graduates don't do science, but actual engineering work. That doesn't make CS any less of a science though, it just means that most people employed in private companies don't do it.

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by hellopier on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @11:20PM (#15024708)
And thus employment of CS graduates should be compared with employment of Engineering graduates, except in the case of Academia, where it ought to be compared with other sciences.
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by mpweiher on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @02:56AM (#15025464)
My bad, I should have been more precise: natural science, which is part of a "liberal arts" education.

"Academic areas that are associated with the term liberal arts include:

Arts (fine arts, music, performing arts, literature)

Mathematics

Natural science (biology, chemistry, physics, astronomy, earth science)

Philosophy

Religious studies

Social science (anthropology, economics, geography, political science, psychology, sociology, Linguistics, history)"

Note the absence of engineering disciplines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education

Vs. engineering or engineering sciences.

See for example how Stanford groups things (CS is part of the "School of Engineering").

https://registrar.stanford.edu/everyone/enrollment-statistic...

And then note the difference in enrollment in "chemistry" (the science) and "chemical engineering"

https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/membership/acs/welcom...

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by izacus on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @05:08AM (#15026014)
Is the difference you're trying to paint perhaps a US only thing? I've never heard of this type of differentiation.
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by mpweiher on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @05:41AM (#15026165)
The exact delineation of "liberal arts" seems to be a US thing (not sure about "only").

However, in Germany we also have "Naturwissenschaften" and "Ingenieurwissenschaften".

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenieurwissenschaften

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturwissenschaft

So it's a common distinction: figuring out how nature works vs building stuff.

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by pishpash on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @05:18PM (#15022706)
You explained it yourself. It was initially a science, and in the 80's it became engineering and now, a get-rich scheme. Each era attracts a different set of people.