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Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by Temasik on Sunday August 13, 2017 @01:33AM (#15001679)
What's Bitcoin use case besides speculation?

Buying $10 worth of namecheap domain and pay $5 on fees no thanks!

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by Laforet on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:23AM (#15001771)
Bypassing financial regulations, extortion, llicit substance trade and many other forms of small-time illegal activities. If you strip speculative value and all the technical gloss, what's left is essentially Liberty Reserve 2.0.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Reserve

P.S. Fees has actually got lower since the worst back in May, but there is no telling it won't happen again. Paying for anon hosting is not a bad idea but fewer providers are willing to provide it now - Vultr still accept bitcoin but require to have credit card on file as well due to abuse.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by ericb on Sunday August 13, 2017 @08:20AM (#15002614)
You forgot some:

-Peer to peer remote transactions

-Embed money into a binary, a puzzle, an image, a file

-Non-correlated asset https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-asset-correlation-2894312

-The only money no one can take away from you, even states. Protection from governments like Greece

-Inflation hedge. Protection from governments like Venezuela.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by aussieguy123 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @10:42PM (#15006305)
-The only money no one can take away from you, even states. Protection from governments like Greece

except hackers, if they get their hands on your wallet.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by Hermel on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:44AM (#15001817)
Volume-wise, the biggest use case is speculation and store of wealth (just like gold in the physical world). By number of transactions it is gambling (eg poker), another one you forgot to list.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by Laforet on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:27AM (#15001931)
I will admit that I am not very familiar with the bitcoin gambling scene. It's hard to imagine that people will go through the trouble to bet with bitcoin when most places in the world with good infrastructure to support bitcoin also tend to have accessible gambling activities using fiat.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by tpallarino on Sunday August 13, 2017 @01:38AM (#15001685)
You could currently pay a fee of about 5 cents and be confirmed likely within 3 blocks.

https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by pieguy on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:27AM (#15001776)
Not sure how you came up with 5 cents but I get $1.36: 4000 dollars/btc * 10^-8 btc/satoshi * 150 satoshi/byte * 226 bytes/transaction = $1.356 per transaction
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by tpallarino on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:28AM (#15001781)
If you wanted to get confirmed in the very next block you could probably use 25 satoshi/byte at this point in time. Personally, if I were sending a non critical/time-sensitive transaction right now I would use about 5 satoshi/byte.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by nickporter on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:25AM (#15001772)
This. I just bought 0.007 btc and sent it to a friend, and it cost less than 10 cents in fees overall.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by runeks on Sunday August 13, 2017 @08:22AM (#15002621)
Bitcoin is designed to be a decentralized store of value. A form of money that belongs to the people, as opposed to the banking sector.

That being said, I don’t think Bitcoin will become truly relevant (to the average saver) until either a) inflation picks up to a worrying degree, or b) negative interest start prevailing. When/if this happens, the advantages of a decentralized monetary unit will become obvious.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by sxv on Sunday August 13, 2017 @01:58AM (#15001727)
a decentralized, unseizable, cross-border, deflationary store of value. it's next-gen gold.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by noitsnot on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:06AM (#15001735)
unstable and unusable. next-gen pyramid scheme
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by koonsolo on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:19AM (#15001905)
I sure hope so for your sake, because if the real bubble is fiat money, and you have 0 cryptocurrency, you are basically screwed.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by rebuilder on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:24AM (#15001923)
If it comes to pass that "Not having crypto" = "screwed", then the chaos will be such that everyone's screwed, anyway.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by koonsolo on Sunday August 13, 2017 @04:47AM (#15002131)
Don't worry, people in hyperinflation countries also survive(d). So no need to worry.

As long as you have trust in your government for making the money, and the banks for multiplying it, you have nothing to worry about.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by qq66 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:08AM (#15001738)
Gold wouldn't have this role if there was not substantial consumer and industrial demand for it.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by ericb on Sunday August 13, 2017 @08:42AM (#15002674)
The portion of gold's market cap attributable to consumer and industrial demand is miniscule compared to the portion attributable to its wealth protection function. Bitcoin is a better mousetrap for that use-case and the market is figuring that out.

The market's decision about what to use as a store of value is a market-wide Schelling point decision based not around "what asset has underlying value" as any underlying value is quickly dwarfed by the magnitude of the value that needs to be stored, but instead the Schelling point decision is based on what asset has the best properties for money. If you look at what has been money in the past, you'll see examples (like giant stones) that were clearly not based on underlying industrial demand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_point_(game_theory)

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by solotronics on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:36AM (#15001802)
Bitcoin wouldn't have any value if there wasn't demand for it.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by koolba on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:02AM (#15001856)
In the short term price and value don't have to align.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by solotronics on Sunday August 13, 2017 @11:59PM (#15006504)
Bitcoin has existed for 9 years. While you are waiting we are reinventing how money works.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by naveen99 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @05:36AM (#15002242)
i don't think we are close to general ai, but bitcoin is a key ingredient for AI being independent. Currently, electronic banking requires a human in the loop, even for corporations.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by arkis22 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:32AM (#15001796)
at the very least, it's better than western union
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by shmerl on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:16AM (#15001894)
Sending money is a good use case.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by westiseast on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:31AM (#15001941)
* would be * a good use case if it were reliable.

I don't want to say I'll transfer $1000 to someone and by the time the transfer is complete the vale has dropped/I need to wait 5 days for confirmation/ the bitcoin exchange has collapsed.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by nicky0 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @05:24PM (#15005022)
You don't need an exchange to make a bitcoin transaction, that's the whole point. It's decentralised.

Exchanges are only for trading your fiat currency for bitcoin.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by Temasik on Sunday August 13, 2017 @09:28AM (#15002815)
Wow.. I think you guys should read financialcryptography.com before commenting