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Re:OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships by 0xdada on Friday August 11, 2017 @08:53PM (#14995684)
DotA is not a MOBA and it's not a very good precursor for military unit management. I'd say Starcraft is a better comparison, and they are working on applying DeepMind to that right now [0].

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/09/blizzard-and-deepmind-turn...

Re:OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships by ylor on Friday August 11, 2017 @08:59PM (#14995711)
Dota definitely is a MOBA. Dota is the MOBA from which all the others are devised [0].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplayer_online_battle_aren...

Re:OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships by CrystalLangUser on Friday August 11, 2017 @09:12PM (#14995765)
Some people dislike that term. Many people in the dota community prefer ARTS over MOBA. Though yes, technically it’s a MOBA; many other games could be MOBAs because it’s fairly vague.
Re:OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships by jsmthrowaway on Friday August 11, 2017 @08:57PM (#14995698)
DotA and Dota 2 are the games that helped define the term MOBA. I'm not sure why you're saying it isn't one, especially since it's in the first sentence of both Wikipedia articles.
Re:OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships by CrystalLangUser on Friday August 11, 2017 @09:10PM (#14995760)
Sometimes people prefer to label dota as an ARTS: Action Real Time Strategy.

Some people dislike the MOBA nomenclature because it comes from Riot (maker of League of Legends; a clone of dota). In addition the term is pretty vague. Call of Duty, Starcraft, and DotA could all technically be “MOBAS”.

ARTS describes it a little better but I don’t think that term is great either.

Re:OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships by ajsalminen on Saturday August 12, 2017 @02:33AM (#14996731)
In my opinion ARTS doesn't describe it better but introduces confusion since it implies these games have something in common with real time strategy games. I don't think they really have anything to do with RTS despite being originally conceived on the Warcraft 3 engine and assets. At least MOBA makes it clear that it's an entirely separate category.
Re:OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships by CrystalLangUser on Saturday August 12, 2017 @05:42AM (#14997231)
> anything to do with RTS

Managing farming times and item spikes is part of the strategy. Of course it's not a true RTS, but I think that term is a bit better than MOBA; I'm also biased against Riot.

Re:OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships by jdoliner on Friday August 11, 2017 @08:58PM (#14995702)
DotA is generally considered to have created the MOBA genre. That being said, you are right that MOBA's aren't as good a comparison for military unit management as games like Starcraft or Warcraft.