Almost all European countries had Molotov-Ribbentrop-like pact with Germany, including UK and Poland. MR-pact was just the last one; made after UK and France sabotaged Molotov's effort to make pact with them and after the Austrian Anschluss and breaking of Czechoslovakia. They wanted Germany to attack the USSR and not to be bound to help, just like they looked the other way after Poland was attacked later that year.

Yes, but only the Soviets joined in with the Germans in invading Poland!

Yes, but somehow magically they stopped at Curzon line. I.e. they took back exactly the same lands, that Poles took them 20 years before.

At the dawn of WW2, Poles weren't innocent bystander either. They happily tooks parts of Czechoslovakia.

What "same lands" are you talking about? Poland had same rights as Bolsheviks to parts of Russian Empire.

If you don't know, Lenin proclaimed that Bolsheviks aren't successors to Tsarist Russia.

East of Curzon line. You know, that agreement that was made after WW1 (and therefore after USSR was established) and broken by the 1920-war?

Curzon line was suggested _during_ the war.

Besides, as I said - Poland had the same rights to these territories, so it was a fair game of whoever captured them first.

And if we're talking about broken agreements - Bolsheviks broke that agreement first.

So basically you are saying that it was fair game for Poland to forcibly capture the territory, but when the USSR did the same, it's wrong and despicable?

Nice double standards.

Where did I ever said anything about 'wrong and despicable'?

Sorry, that wasn't you.

It is often used as an argument, that USSR invaded Poland (see above) and therefore they were literally Hitler.

What is forgetten is the B side of the coin, which is the content of this thread.

Yes, they're invaded Poland. And no, Poland didn't captured any USSR territories before that, so you can't justify that invasion.

> Poland didn't captured any USSR territories before that,

Keep telling yourself that. With a sufficient twist, you can rationalize anything!

Please do tell me when Poland captured USSR territories.

Wonderful. This war ENDED in 1921, while USSR was created in 1922.

Please, check your facts better.

Any links for this? It's the first time I hear about it.

For the Polish pact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Non-Aggr...

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJwoygYdTmY is an exchange between Tusk and Putin on the topic. I haven't found a better video.

About the Molotov negotiation, it is in the book by Nikolai Starikov, Who set Hitler against Stalin?, (ISBN 978-5-496-00332-2). It is in Russian, unfortunately. Excerpts have been translated to English, the part I was talking about is here: https://orientalreview.org/2015/04/18/episode-15-poland-betr...

You're confusing non-aggression pacts with MR pact, which in fact DIVIDED Europe between two different dictators and basically lead to WW2.

Also that guy Starikov is nota a historian, but an ultra-right nationalist playing current Kremlin tune. So his "works" should be taken with a truckloads of salt.

Nice ad-hominem and credentialism you have there, do you have anything that refutes his points?

How about common sense?

Or you plan to detail the discussion by switching context to talking about far-right fiction?

Well, if it is a far-right fiction, it will be easy to refute it's point instead of ad-homineming the author, right?

Wrong. That would be derailing.

OK, I take is that you don't have any counterargument, but you refuse it based on ideology.

Have a nice day.