Ask HN: Why has discussion of the Google Manifesto been censored?

Re:Ask HN: Why has discussion of the Google Manifesto been c... by vorpalhex on Monday August 07, 2017 @09:43AM (#14947350)

I don't know, and in media stories about it, it has required a significant amount of chasing to actually read it. I don't agree with it, and it overly politicizes a social kind of argument - but I think it's important to drag these things into the light and debate them with clear facts and sources, not to let them linger in the darkness.

For all it's faults, it did have one good suggestion - that programming may be more attractive to a lot of folks if we make it more collaborative in nature. That's an area where some otherwise really talented engineers suffer, and if we expand the discipline I think it would be a meaningful improvement for all.

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Re:Ask HN: Why has discussion of the Google Manifesto been c... by Denzel on Monday August 07, 2017 @09:56AM (#14947442)

Really? I wasn't even interested in the story and yet the first link I found on Twitter reproduced the document in full: http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-div...

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Re:Ask HN: Why has discussion of the Google Manifesto been c... by ebola1717 on Monday August 07, 2017 @10:08AM (#14947530)

I think the value of debating it is overrated. This thread on Twitter summarizes why I don't think debate on this issue is valuable: https://twitter.com/drnerdlove/status/894200932489146370

I'd also add to that the notion of the Overton Window. There are many views we as a society decide are not debateable, and debating them would normalize those viewpoints.

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Re:Ask HN: Why has discussion of the Google Manifesto been c... by marknutter on Monday August 07, 2017 @04:33PM (#14951015)

He's essentially saying that debating people you disagree with about sensitive topics that have real world consequences is not worth the time because those people are wrong and they aren't going to be affected by the outcome one way or the other. So because he thinks the other side is wrong from the outset, and is quite certain they have no skin in the game, they aren't to be listened to. This is why people are leaving the left in droves.

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Re:Ask HN: Why has discussion of the Google Manifesto been c... by occultist_throw on Monday August 07, 2017 @10:31AM (#14947708)

There are some boneheaded things in there.

I'm also seeing a lot of legitimate grievances too.

But because of some boneheaded things, other areas with much more substantive proof and claims are being completely ignored.

And the narrative is being sold as "Your gender means that you’re biologically incapable of doing this job and should never have been hired". Of course, paraphrasing into a inflammatory tidbit is easy to burn that strawman.

Again, I go back to my initial comment of "What use is there to discuss it, since each side demonizes the other?"

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