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Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by sitharus on Monday August 07, 2017 @03:44AM (#14945914)
From experience in New Zealand, where prostitution is also legal for citizens and permanent residents, it doesn't do much to increase human trafficking.

I'm not going to pretend it's all clean - certainly there's underage, trafficked and exploited people. However that's still the case when it's illegal, the difference is how we can find and protect those who have been exploited by others.

When prostitution is legal a prostitute can go to the police without fear of prosecution (but not persecution unfortunately - less of an issue here because the laws were loosely enforced). Additionally a legitimate business is more attractive to most customers, so a legal businesses subject to inspection and record keeping requirements are more likely to take business from the less legitimate ones.

My personal opinion is that prostitution is here to stay. We should focus on the safety of those involved. Giving them a criminal record is certainly not going to get them away from prostitution.

Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by icebraining on Monday August 07, 2017 @04:51AM (#14946107)
When prostitution is legal a prostitute can go to the police without fear of prosecution

In theory, Sweden's approach of only criminalizing the clients (and pimps, I assume) should provide that too; a bit like the decriminalization of drug consumption. On the other hand, since every "john" is at risk if the prostitute does go to the police, it's much more likely that they'll avoid doing so. Even where drug use is decriminalized, users don't tend to go to the police if their dealer rips them off or physically assaults them.

Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by makomk on Monday August 07, 2017 @05:15AM (#14946211)
Sweden also criminalises knowingly renting to sex workers. Women who've gone to the police about being raped by a client have been made homeless as a result after the police got in touch with their landlords and told them to evict. This was one of the major contributors to Amnesty International coming out so strongly as they did against the Swedish model.
Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by Iv on Monday August 07, 2017 @05:00AM (#14946143)
If the johns are criminalized, there is still a disincentive to go to the police: if they know you as a prostitute, they'll know to watch you closely to catch some johns and that will impair your business.

Also I think that provides a side effect too: if a john is already committing a crime when going to a prostitute, he may be more likely to do so anonymously and with less trace, making it easier for them to add robbery or assault to their acts.

I think that hypocrisy never helps. If it is illegal to go to a prostitute, it should be illegal to be one, their existence would have no legal justification.

Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by Broken_Hippo on Monday August 07, 2017 @05:09AM (#14946183)
"I think that hypocrisy never helps. If it is illegal to go to a prostitute, it should be illegal to be one, their existence would have no legal justification."

I disagree.

Few are forced to visit and hire a prostitute. But we know people are forced to be a prostitute (trafficking), some do it for drugs, and some feel they have no other way to survive. While society understands not every prostitute is in one of these categories, it seems a cruel punishment to charge them with a crime. MOstly because it would be charging a rape victim with the crime of being raped.

Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by Iv on Monday August 07, 2017 @05:24AM (#14946259)
Well some people are forced into gang violence. That does not give a good reason to legalize violence.

Some people are forced into working in sweatshops to sew t-shirts. That does not make a good reason to criminalize t-shirts.

Forcing someone into doing something is already illegal. The forced person is a victim, most laws are clear about it. If the issue we are talking about is fighting against human-trafficking, the only question should be to know if legalizing prostitution would help the police find human traffickers.

And this should be the top question of the debate IMHO. I don't care much to live in a society that answers differently than me to the question "Should prostitution be legal?" but I would love to be in a society where human-trafficking does not exist.

I do have the feeling that pimps do enjoy the hypocrisy and moral ambiguity of the laws: it makes their services invaluable and their activities under the radar. But this opinion mostly comes from anecdotes and common sense. I am inclined to change opinions based on facts.

Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by dvtv75 on Monday August 07, 2017 @04:15AM (#14945992)
When I was in Dunedin, there were rumored to be some rather underhanded tactics that brothels used against each other. One burned down shortly before I left, and word had it that it wasn't an accidental fire.

But you know how rumors are - all it takes is one person to decide that "It's obvious, innit?" and they start repeating it as fact.

Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by slowmotiony on Monday August 07, 2017 @04:31AM (#14946039)
Well, Germany also legalitzed it and quickly rose up the ranks to be a top human trafficking spot in Europe, but it seems like everyone in this thread completely ignores it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Germany

Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by icebraining on Monday August 07, 2017 @04:57AM (#14946135)
Your link doesn't say that Germany is a top human trafficking spot in Europe, or that it only became so after legalization. Do you have a better one?
Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by JepZ on Monday August 07, 2017 @04:56AM (#14946132)
Well, but the story doesn't seem to be over yet (02.07.2017):

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-introduces-unpopular-prostituti...

Re:Prostitution decriminalized: Rhode Island’s experiment by sitharus on Monday August 07, 2017 @04:54AM (#14946124)
I'm not going to argue against the facts, but I will argue that the results for victims are different. If a victim of sex trafficking is caught on the street when prostitution is illegal they're now a criminal and will probably be dealt with as such by police looking for easy numbers.

When they haven't committed a crime they should be able to get aid from the authorities and their pimps and traffickers arrested.

Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world and resources aren't always available for whatever reason. I don't like it, but I also don't like creating criminals out of victims.