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Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by stretchwithme on Sunday July 30, 2017 @12:38AM (#14884465)
That's just it. A living thing has motivation created and honed by the need to reproduce. It IS its own motivation.

A machine can only measure parameters and take action to get to some target. Its priorities are set by its program and the data it has. Its own continued existence and propagation are not the default. It cannot want and doesn't need to the way a living thing does.

And I don't see reason to try to give machines such qualities. People have wanted servants that have no concern for their own needs for as long as there have been people. Slaves that are selfless and highly capable. And that is how most automation will be designed.

Fiction presents human-like machines but that hardly means that is what will build or want when the time actually comes.

Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by mirimir on Sunday July 30, 2017 @01:37AM (#14884579)
> A living thing has motivation created and honed by the need to reproduce.

Why not the same for a machine? I mean, after all, we are fundamentally machines. Just made of organic nanobot stuff.

Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by scotty79 on Sunday July 30, 2017 @06:30AM (#14885354)
Sure, but to reach current state we needed the motivation to survive and reproduce. Otherwise we'd go extinct in the meantime.

If we build AI as a fresh, state of the art object, withouth evolutionary history it doesn't need any motivation that evolved entities must have had to evolve.

Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by mirimir on Sunday July 30, 2017 @05:44PM (#14887983)
OK, but maybe designers would want machines to evolve. That's a standard approach at software level, right? So why not at hardware level too?

But of course, that could be a dangerous path ;)

Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by stale2002 on Sunday July 30, 2017 @03:03AM (#14884787)
Well, the motivation would come from the humans who created it.

The problem with hard AI, is not them randomly becoming evil.

The problem is if humans program them with a goal, and don't think through the implications.

IE, think paper clip grey goo AI. The AI may not be evil, but it's value function was originally set to maximize the amount of paper clips in the world as a part of some manufacturing process.

Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by stretchwithme on Sunday July 30, 2017 @02:36PM (#14887200)
Yes, accidents are a big concern.

But malevolence by humans is also.

I don't worry about machines suddenly getting motivations. But many people have seen a lot of movies.

Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by pixl97 on Sunday July 30, 2017 @10:58AM (#14886214)
> Its own continued existence and propagation are not the default. It cannot want and doesn't need to the way a living thing does.

>And I don't see reason to try to give machines such qualities.

You don't want a firewall (think more on the lines of defense system) that automatically adapts and protects itself from attacks?

Remember if we get this powerful AI, said AI will be used to attack other AI's. Either humans will have to 'fix' the AI every time another AI breaks it, or it will have to self-adapt.

Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by qbrass on Sunday July 30, 2017 @12:50AM (#14884486)
>Slaves that are selfless and highly capable. And that is how most automation will be designed.

Problem is they're not your slaves, and they don't care about you any more than themselves.

Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by stretchwithme on Sunday July 30, 2017 @03:43PM (#14887442)
My refrigerator is my slave. So is my car. Very obedient both.
Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by psyc on Sunday July 30, 2017 @01:02AM (#14884510)
Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by em3rgent0rdr on Sunday July 30, 2017 @04:46AM (#14885046)
A need to reproduce isn't the only thing that motivates humans...
Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by gluczywo on Sunday July 30, 2017 @05:42AM (#14885223)
True for an individual.

For life seen as a part of system/society reproduction is the key motivation (for lack of a better word). Non-reproducing activities are irrelevant temporary aberrations because societies that don't reproduce get extinct and are replaced by societies that focus on reproduction.

Re:In a Robot Economy, All Humans Will Be Marketers by stretchwithme on Sunday July 30, 2017 @02:33PM (#14887183)
That's right. Some actions we take help our families or our society survive and propagate.