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Re:Amazon Hub by dmix on Thursday July 27, 2017 @07:07PM (#14870529)
It serves a real beneficial purpose for those of us who have missed packages while at work and had to drive 20min in terrible traffic to the nearest FedEx/UPS/etc retail outlet - at 6pm when everyone else got off work with the same idea. Then wait 20min in line for the pleasure of dealing with an annoyed retail lady who is short with you.

I'd much prefer having a machine on my property as a backup if I'm not home!

Your inconvenience of forgetting your wallet seems minor by comparison when you can just go upstairs, imagine forgetting it after driving and waiting in line... that really is the only alternative isn't it besides the old school "dumb" parcel boxes?

Your inconvenience of not knowing it was there and getting charged was the fault of your landlord, who rightfully paid the fee for you. It wasn't the fault of the box design per-se - but obviously something to be aware of.*

Your inconvenience of spam filtering is probably less likely with an amazon based email system.

I'm happy to see these becoming a widespread thing and being pushed to residential property owners. It even seems superior to the typical package boxes in most new apartment buildings or suburbs as it comes with email/mobile notifications (typical package tracking is far too often less than accurate)!

The only thing better than a machine here is a human concierge who signs for them and calls you if you don't pick it up with your mail. They're paid to be nice to you and are rarely busy.

* Maybe Amazon should make sure to tell new owners to thoroughly notify every tenant before using it - with signs saying it will be installed in x weeks and letters left on your door.

Re:Amazon Hub by scrollaway on Thursday July 27, 2017 @07:24PM (#14870647)
I'm living in Greece right now and I've been shopping online a bit more the past couple of months. I've been shopping online since 2006 and I guess at some point I forgot to notice how shit of an experience it is.

So in the past couple of months, I have RMA'd two items, returned one due to bad fulfillment, returned one more because I didn't like what I bought (and that got lost). Of all the items I ordered, one got lost or stolen, two more I had to pick up at the local PO which cost me a total of ~20USD in taxi fares (and several hours wasted waiting in line), one I had to pick up in the central depot which cost me 50USD in taxi fares just for that day (and again, several hours wasted).

Only one of those packages had free delivery because they all have to hop between the US, China, Denmark, Germany and who knows where else. (The only one I got free delivery on was a CODE keyboard, which costs $250 in Europe, vs. $130 in USA). So I'm actually paying for this ostensibly terrible service.

So I'm looking at the hub and I just think "Wow, that solves a lot of problems outside the US".

And it's US only.

Of course it is.

Re:Amazon Hub by dmix on Thursday July 27, 2017 @07:33PM (#14870705)
> And it's US only.

There are already competitors operating here in Canada doing this stuff fortunately. I believe Amazon acquired one of them which turned into this [nm, see edit]. That should hopefully pressure Amazon to expand and this will offer tons of free advertising for those smaller companies competing.

Edit: turns out it was Buffer Box and they were acquired by Google and (of course) shut down https://www.wikiwand.com/en/BufferBox

InPost is another one with boxes all over Europe. They recently shut down in my city though :/ (Toronto). But otherwise it looks pretty like they have extensive deployment: https://inpost24.com/

Germany has DHL Packstation: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Packstation

Also two startups: https://wefunder.com/swapbox and http://www.ucella.com/

Re:Amazon Hub by ccozan on Friday July 28, 2017 @03:38AM (#14872641)
The Packstation of DHL is great. What also DP/DHL did, is to make every little shop a micro-postoffice. Probably gave them some incentives, but it works great if you are not at home, you can be sure your package is at the store max 5 mins from you
Re:Amazon Hub by rosege on Thursday July 27, 2017 @10:09PM (#14871371)
Australia has Parcel Lockers run by the post office for free - they are pretty good https://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/parcel-collection-delive...
Re:Amazon Hub by will_hughes on Thursday July 27, 2017 @11:10PM (#14871653)
But only for packages which are delivered through AusPost. Which if you buy stuff internationally, it mostly isn't.

Also, not in a ton of locations.

Re:Amazon Hub by lucaspiller on Friday July 28, 2017 @05:58AM (#14873139)
It's the same situation here in Lithuania - various companies have these lockers but it's hit or miss who an international package will be delivered by. Even from Amazon I've had packages delivered by DHL, UPS and regular mail.

The post office will give you a forwarding address (for regular mail) that will end up in the locker of your choosing, but you then have to pay €x/package, and the lockers are usually at post offices, so it's not really worth it.

Re:Amazon Hub by ajdlinux on Thursday July 27, 2017 @11:32PM (#14871754)
IDK, the vast majority of my international purchases have been delivered by AusPost - it's actually domestic PC parts shops and eBay sellers that I have the most problems with as a lot of them choose to use companies like Fastway and don't make it clear on their websites who they ship with.
Re:Amazon Hub by rosege on Friday July 28, 2017 @01:17AM (#14872153)
I dont think so, I've had everything delivered there and never had an issue. My only exception is if its something where they say no po box - then I havent tried.
Re:Amazon Hub by dpi on Friday July 28, 2017 @12:22AM (#14871942)
I've had four Amazon packages delivered to Parcel Lockers in the last two months.
Re:Amazon Hub by vertex-four on Friday July 28, 2017 @05:49AM (#14873110)
InPost is essentially useless in the UK, mind... there's essentially no retailers that support it, you can't have arbitrary packages from retailers posted to one, and I've literally never seen someone using my local InPost box to send packages. I'm assuming they're burning through investment money badly. To show how little people care about it: it doesn't even have an English-language wikipedia page.

If they could somehow have the postal service and couriers able to post things to InPost boxes, it'd be far more useful - but I suspect there's some really complicated contractual stuff that prevents that.

Re:Amazon Hub by gutnor on Friday July 28, 2017 @07:00AM (#14873329)
In the UK, PassMyParcel is good.

Your parcel get just delivered to your local NewsAgent, which in the UK generally has extensive opening times. Supported directly by Amazon and a bunch of retailer, but delivery companies use the same system (DPD, EPS).

Re:Amazon Hub by iamed2 on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:53AM (#14874660)
Canada Post provides this service. My building has a parcel rack and they just put a numbered key in your mailbox when you have a parcel. No need for codes or phones.

For those who may not know, Canada's national postal service is the largest parcel carrier in Canada.

Re:Amazon Hub by nexxer on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:10AM (#14872782)
The public post office in Cyprus [0] has 3 of those machines (1 for each big city).

SMSes get sent to you as notification, and you have 3-4 days to pick it up. After that (and a second notification), it gets sent to your local post office and a delivery note is sent to your house.

No charges yet for the service, though they have been toying with the idea ever since it launched a few years ago. No charges for packages not getting delivered either.

[0] http://www.mcw.gov.cy/mcw/dps/dps.nsf/page25_en/page25_en?Op...

Re:Amazon Hub by mabbo on Thursday July 27, 2017 @08:38PM (#14871022)
For the longest time, Buffer box had one location: inside the Google Waterloo office.
Re:Amazon Hub by speleding on Friday July 28, 2017 @11:05AM (#14874761)
> It's only US

I think that in densely built European cities robo delivery is a much more promising technology. The first trials are already ongoing here [0]. Putting in the hubs may not make sense if the target audience doesn't want delivery vans in a few years time.

[0] https://www.starship.xyz

Re:Amazon Hub by ribfeast on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:10AM (#14873966)
I literally just came back from grabbing a package at an Amazon locker in Italy (this exact concept, except it's been around for a couple of months now). It was convenient and beats the really unreliable parcel services here.
Re:Amazon Hub by glastra on Friday July 28, 2017 @06:41AM (#14873273)
Amazon have a similar service, but installed in public spaces, called Amazon Locker. They have it at least here in Spain [0].

[0]: https://www.amazon.es/locker

Re:Amazon Hub by xbmcuser on Friday July 28, 2017 @05:40AM (#14873085)
In Singapore the national postal service provides this service when you can ask the parcels to be delivered to automated box and you can collect later don't know if it works with fedex or other postal service who have their own delivery guys
Re:Amazon Hub by hammock on Thursday July 27, 2017 @07:32PM (#14870703)
>It serves a real beneficial purpose for those of us who have missed packages while at work and had to drive 20min in terrible traffic to the nearest FedEx/UPS/etc retail outlet

There is a low-tech solution for this already..you have normal package lockers near the mailroom which have keys. Your package is put in a locker, and the corresponding key is put into your mailbox.

Seems way easier and the only way this is better is if the touchscreen system works for signature required packages, allowing them to be dropped off without you

Re:Amazon Hub by dmix on Thursday July 27, 2017 @07:42PM (#14870765)
I addressed the "dumb" boxes in my original comment. But another point is that these hubs can be "appended" to buildings without these parcel rooms/infrastructure that are offered by those larger apartment buildings.

There are plenty of other properties that could utilize this too such as multi-tenant office buildings and plenty of other non-apartment building use cases.

It also productizes these boxes so they can buy one of these instead of setting of a mail center and doing the subsequent maintenance (ie: cutting keys, replacing lost ones, etc). And it notifies the people by email/mobile which makes it a nice value add-on for property owners to sell with the property.

Re:Amazon Hub by Balgair on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:34AM (#14874512)
Why can't a 'dumb' hub be appended as well? I have them at my new apt complex now, not the 'smart' ones, and they seem to work alright. It's right next to the mailboxes for the complex. Again, it's only USPS that uses the 'dumb' hub, all the other companies just drop things off at the door. It's not a big deal, at least for the area I live in.
Re:Amazon Hub by tzs on Thursday July 27, 2017 @09:55PM (#14871308)
> There is a low-tech solution for this already..you have normal package lockers near the mailroom which have keys. Your package is put in a locker, and the corresponding key is put into your mailbox.

How would that work with multiple delivery services? A FedEx or UPS worker, for instance, cannot legally put a package locker key into a USPS mailbox (and usually, in apartment mailbox banks, cannot even physically do so even if they are willing to ignore the law).

Re:Amazon Hub by hedora on Friday July 28, 2017 @12:31AM (#14871979)
The USPS already partners with all the big carriers for Amazon deliveries, so they could solve the problem.

Alternatively: put in boxes not owned by the usps, and use combination locks. The "special delivery instructions" box on every order form on earth already supports this.

The main problems with outdoor lock boxes are moisture and heat. The main problem with indoor ones is that you need a mail room, and they tend to be shared.

I don't see how this new product helps in most circumstances. I guess it could be useful in high crime urban settings, but mail lock boxes are already common there.

Re:Amazon Hub by leesalminen on Thursday July 27, 2017 @09:21PM (#14871189)
At my complex of 65 units, there are a total of 12 package lockers all smaller than 12"x12".

OnTrac has taken over most Amazon deliveries at this apartment. They don't know the door code to get in (ups/FedEx/usps do). So, they leave packages by the exterior door. Usually the wrong one.

Re:Amazon Hub by Balgair on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:38AM (#14874555)
"Fool-proof" never takes into account the ingenuity of fools. ;)
Re:Amazon Hub by rurounijones on Friday July 28, 2017 @02:14AM (#14872350)
Japan is low-tech. The lockers are near the mailboxes.

Mailman puts the package in the mailbox which has a keypad and low-tech 1980's calculator style 1 line display.

He put package in locker. It generates and displays a pin-code, he write it down on a slip of paper with the locker number and puts it in your mailbox.

Works very well.

(I think he has to swipe a card to allow him to lock the thing in the first place. To stop random people using it).

Re:Amazon Hub by nandemo on Friday July 28, 2017 @03:11AM (#14872537)
Swipe a card? At least in my building there's no need. It's hard to imagine random people messing with it.

The low-tech thing has its downsides: the other day the delivery guy wrote down the wrong code so I had to wait for the building manager to open it.

That said, I agree that it works very well. And I think it's a somewhat recent innovation. Apart from my current apartment none of the places I've lived here (10+ years) had lockers.

Re:Amazon Hub by Balgair on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:37AM (#14874546)
I have lockers next to the mailbox and I'm in the US. They just put a key to the locker in your box and then you go unlock the locker and the key is 'caught' and won't re-close. Yeah, it's not a perfect system, but it doesn't go out when the power goes down and it isn't going to get taken over by Bratslavian hackers to try to sell my neighbors Viagra via Twitter and even the most tech-illiterate/disabled people can use it fine.
Re:Amazon Hub by hosh on Thursday July 27, 2017 @07:36PM (#14870714)
Back when I lived in Seattle, I had Amazon packages delivered to an Amazon Locker precisely because issues like this. Even when I am at home, it is difficult for the delivery person to ring up at the doorbell.
Re:Amazon Hub by voltagex_ on Thursday July 27, 2017 @10:05PM (#14871350)
In Australia, Amazon outsourced the lockers to "ParcelPoint", which I believe is a Toll company. The issue is they haven't updated their locker addresses here for years, and I found out the hard way that at least two addresses near me had stopped accepting Amazon packages.
Re:Amazon Hub by rosege on Thursday July 27, 2017 @10:11PM (#14871379)
why not use auspost parcel lockers?
Re:Amazon Hub by voltagex_ on Thursday July 27, 2017 @11:22PM (#14871702)
Can you guarantee that Amazon's delivery partner, iParcel, won't use a courier which is silently blocked by AusPost?

(I have been using the AusPost ones and I'm having more luck than I used to).

Seriously - if AusPost don't want to accept a delivery they won't even let you know, it's just returned to sender.

Re:Amazon Hub by rosege on Friday July 28, 2017 @01:16AM (#14872147)
I've never had that happen and have had lots of deliveries from both ebay sellers and amazon. Everything has always been delivered
Re:Amazon Hub by toomanybeersies on Thursday July 27, 2017 @09:34PM (#14871226)
Personally, I just get all my packages delivered to work. I guess that's not an option for everyone.
Re:Amazon Hub by ajdlinux on Thursday July 27, 2017 @11:34PM (#14871762)
My large megacorp has an explicit policy forbidding employees from using work addresses for personal parcels - allegedly, they're concerned that shipments from overseas could lead to customs import paperwork being sent to them and being accidentally paid by the company, and, well, something something something security.
Re:Amazon Hub by TeMPOraL on Friday July 28, 2017 @02:05AM (#14872320)
In my company, it's because half of those packages end up delivered to the warehouse behind the office building, and apparently the warehouse workers didn't like the additional workload.
Re:Amazon Hub by dotBen on Friday July 28, 2017 @03:02AM (#14872506)
something something something costs
Re:Amazon Hub by tedmiston on Thursday July 27, 2017 @09:37PM (#14871236)
I just ship my packages to the office instead. Always someone available to sign and no traffic issues.
Re:Amazon Hub by Balgair on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:30AM (#14874473)
Yeah, if you have to go pick up stuff, this kinda thing could help. I've never had to do that though, are you US based? My issue was that many other companies just left it on our doorstop, but DHL and a few others I'm forgetting insisted on using the machines when we were there. It was weird.

Again, I think they are nice enough most of the time, but the 'edge' cases make them a no-go for me.

Re:Amazon Hub by walshemj on Friday July 28, 2017 @05:32AM (#14873050)
why not have the packages delivered to work ? or for large white goods fridge wfh on that day