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Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by QuotedForTruth on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:31PM (#14867515)
I think the point is he isn't "set for life" like some may expect NFL players to be.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by dceddia on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:39PM (#14867592)
He certainly could be, if he keeps living on $25k/year. See [0] and run some calculations at [1].

0: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-sim...

1: https://networthify.com/calculator/earlyretirement

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by opportune on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:42PM (#14867622)
People generally don't retire to $25k/year, especially if they eventually get married and have children. The only way to really make something like that work is to move somewhere extremely inexpensive like SEA. That's unrealistic for most people.

This is the one thing that has always struck me as odd abut the FIRE community. FIRE is a good goal but it's highly abnormal for people to retire early with these very low annual salaries for themselves. Sure, it works if you're a single childless 30 year old. But you also generally have to be comfortable staying single and childless if you're going to "retire" to $25k/year.

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by abalone on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:58PM (#14867797)
There are a lot of areas of the U.S. where people actually do retire on $25K/year. Having said that, they probably own their home, have cheap Medicare and have paid all child-related expenses at that point. So you're right, for most 30 year olds it's a different story.

Also, even if people budget a $25K/year retirement there is always the possibility of needing long term nursing home care in the last years of life. (Say, if you're a football player that suffers dementia later in life.) Depending on the quality of care, that can wipe out even a $1M nest egg. It's a big financial concern at that age. It's not covered by insurance the way that, say, a heart attack or stroke is.

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by opportune on Thursday July 27, 2017 @02:03PM (#14867834)
Yes, I don't mean to exclude those people. Both pairs of my grandparents had a fixed income of less than that. But as you said, they didn't have many personal expenses beyond bills and food.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by umanwizard on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:46PM (#14867661)
Does SEA mean Seattle? My mind is blown that Seattle comes to your mind as the least expensive place in the US...
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by opportune on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:56PM (#14867776)
No, Southeast Asia. E.g. Indonesia or Thailand (just not Singapore)
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by umanwizard on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:57PM (#14867779)
Ah, got it, thanks.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by pc86 on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:51PM (#14867721)
Southeast Asia.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by sokoloff on Thursday July 27, 2017 @03:22PM (#14868506)
Agree. See a financial model here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14868501
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by pmiller2 on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:55PM (#14867765)
Well, he may not have every option in the world (e.g. he can't simply move to San Francisco and hope to have a nice life without working), but he does effectively have his own personal basic income, and it's a significant amount. Right now, I couldn't imagine the additional freedom I'd have if I had ~$30-40k coming in every single year, regardless of what I did for work (if anything).
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by pishpash on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:57PM (#14867783)
That's enough to live on and do those things you would do that only requires you. If you ever want to leverage something into a larger undertaking, that requires serious capital rather than a basic income.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by zaccus on Thursday July 27, 2017 @02:10PM (#14867895)
Unless you're a billionaire there are always going to be things you can't afford to do. For many if not most people, having enough passive income to live without having to work would be a dream come true.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by castratikron on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:48PM (#14867675)
If he put $1M in a bond fund, he could probably expect to get around $40k a year on the interest alone. He would only pay 10% capital gains tax on that, which would leave him with $36k. Well above his $25k yearly budget. The bachelor lifestyle is cheap.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by ac29 on Thursday July 27, 2017 @02:07PM (#14867869)
Bond interest is taxed at normal income tax rates in the US, not capital gains tax rates.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by kelnos on Thursday July 27, 2017 @03:42PM (#14868712)
Hell, he could put it in a municipal/tax-exempt bond fund and at the very least not pay federal taxes. If he lives in a state that has a state-specific bond fund, he could let it grow tax-free. 3-4% on one of those is not unreasonable. (But he'd probably want to diversify a bit...)
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by pc86 on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:51PM (#14867708)
Not to mention the NFL pension on top of that. Not sure when he can draw it (at retirement, or does he wait until 55/60/62/65?), but even just modest investment returns + pensions puts him above the median US household income.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by ThrustVectoring on Thursday July 27, 2017 @02:07PM (#14867870)
He's set for life if he keeps his expenses at $25k/yr. $1.8MM / $25k = 72. Even if he loses half to taxes, that's still 36 years worth of expenses in assets. If I had that much, I'd retire in a heartbeat.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by nshelly on Thursday July 27, 2017 @02:20PM (#14867991)
On the cumulative salary of $1.8m over three years he's looking at an effective rate of around 35%. But he definitely won't lose half of his pension to taxes. That's one of the main advantages is that is spread out over a number of years. The NFL, with all its faults in neglecting players health, was wise to set players up with pensions.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by willhslade on Thursday July 27, 2017 @03:44PM (#14868728)
Um, what?

Doesn't the average NFL player have a life expectancy of 53-59, and you can only collect the pension after 55? They can move it foward starting at age 35.

Cynical me says it's a political nothing burger.

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by maxerickson on Thursday July 27, 2017 @02:50PM (#14868243)
Does anybody know the history?

I would sort of expect that the NFL Players Association had something to do with establishing it.

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by ThrustVectoring on Thursday July 27, 2017 @03:07PM (#14868377)
I didn't even count the pension in there, just the $1.8m in salary.