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Re:Android Killed Windows Phone, Not Apple by skinnymuch on Sunday July 23, 2017 @11:39PM (#14835731)
I never messed with Symbian too much. You think it actually had a chance at being decent in the post iOS world?
Re:Android Killed Windows Phone, Not Apple by pjmlp on Monday July 24, 2017 @02:21AM (#14836248)
Symbian was great as user OS, for developers not so much.

It used a C++ dialect called Symbian C++, basically Hungarian notation everywhere, special semantics how objects were created (Two-phase creation), strings could not be used directly, ARM trap errors instead of exceptions, and so on.

They also rebooted the SDK multiple times, initially Code Warrior based, then a set of Eclipse CDT plugins, then they rebooted it and created another Eclipse attempt called Caride.

They eventually added POSIX support (PIPS), but just nowadays with Android, due to lack of updates, not every device could take apps that made use of PIPS.

Then came Qt, but it was pretty much WIP by the time the burning platform memo came to be.

Re:Android Killed Windows Phone, Not Apple by hackpert on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:06AM (#14836436)
Symbian was one really good OS for the pre-iOS world. A basic S60 button-phone was capable of multitasking, copy-paste, profiles (which Android and iOS still lack) and could even pull off some decent graphics in games that weren't seen till years later on iPhone/Android devices. I even remember writing an app to SSH into my computer in the rather awful implementation of C++ it supported. But it transitioned to touch interfaces poorly, at least initially. The first few versions of S60v5 for the Nokia 5800 were horrid, with basic things such as drag to scroll unimplemented. It did improve considerably over time (by late 2011-2012), but by then the market had moved on.

Also, it was a great OS for tinkerers because it wasn't hard to gain access to the OS files and play around with stuff, install sis and jar files, modify signatures (alright, that's a bit shady but I was ten, give me a break) and whatnot, but I imagine the lack of a central app store until much later did the platform no good either, because apps were slightly hard to find for a general user, and carriers (where I lived) often scammed users by offering free jar apps picked from the web on their portals for absurd amount of money.

Re:Android Killed Windows Phone, Not Apple by icebraining on Monday July 24, 2017 @07:47AM (#14837631)
Another great feature for tinkerers was PyS60, the official Nokia port of Python, which had a decent API for many of the phone functions (GPS, camera, etc).

Plus it had ask-on-use permissions built-in before the iPhone was even a thing.

Re:Android Killed Windows Phone, Not Apple by digi_owl on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:02PM (#14840252)
That said, Symbian didn't just have Nokia's S60 UI.

There was also UIQ. Used by Sony Ericsson on their P series, and Motorola in various models.

Re:Android Killed Windows Phone, Not Apple by pjmlp on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:43AM (#14836811)
The last version, Belle, was quite nice to use.
Re:Android Killed Windows Phone, Not Apple by snuxoll on Monday July 24, 2017 @02:10AM (#14836195)
With Nokia's purchase of Qt it had a shot, Symbians main failing was a really awful SDK IMHO - if they hadn't spread themselves so thin with Maemo/meego and just used Symbian as an underlying platform for new Qt apps and added touch support quickly they may have survived.
Re:Android Killed Windows Phone, Not Apple by kccqzy on Sunday July 23, 2017 @11:57PM (#14835799)
I've had fond memories of S40. It had a good-ish browser (Opera Mini) and lots of Java apps.
Re:Android Killed Windows Phone, Not Apple by sundvor on Monday July 24, 2017 @02:51AM (#14836355)
I was going to say, I had fond memories of my N810. However that was a Maemo based device, which sadly fizzled out.