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Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by rjbwork on Sunday July 23, 2017 @04:20PM (#14834185)
I only know 1, I also work in tech.

I, have found developers and other tech workers to be, somewhat ironically, more "Ludditic" than the general population.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by Terr_ on Sunday July 23, 2017 @05:06PM (#14834392)
I think it's because we've seen behind the curtain. Product X isn't as magical, and we've seen how it can go horribly wrong.

I wonder if mechanical engineers tend to be safer drivers...

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by dsr_ on Sunday July 23, 2017 @05:55PM (#14834620)
I think it's a u-curve. Either you are hypervigilant about your personal information and security, or you relax and accept the inevitable.
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by Tade0 on Sunday July 23, 2017 @07:50PM (#14834995)
I have one data point in the form of my father, who is a mechanical engineer. He always knew what you absolutely shouldn't do with your car, like give it gas on turns(wears cv joints in fwd vehicles) or keep the clutch depressed when you're standing still(wears some bearings I don't remember the name of).

He has had the same car for the past 25 years now.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by burger_moon on Sunday July 23, 2017 @07:57PM (#14835016)
" keep the clutch depressed when you're standing still(wears some bearings I don't remember the name of)."

throwout bearing

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by seattle_spring on Sunday July 23, 2017 @09:17PM (#14835305)
> like give it gas on turns(wears cv joints in fwd vehicles)

I'd rather replace my CV joints every 10 years than be that jerk who slows down to a crawl on every turn on a mountain road.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by rhapsodic on Sunday July 23, 2017 @07:59PM (#14835024)
>keep the clutch depressed when you're standing still(wears some bearings I don't remember the name of).

It's the throwout bearing. Your father has a point, but I would rather keep the clutch in. Too much thinking involved putting it in neutral every time you stop.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by pacaro on Sunday July 23, 2017 @08:38PM (#14835182)
Not putting it in neutral when stopped can contribute to failing your driving test in the U.K.
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by rhapsodic on Sunday July 23, 2017 @10:09PM (#14835439)
Aside from reducing wear on the throwout bearing, what is the purpose?
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by mirimir on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:20AM (#14836054)
Not having the car jerk forward if your foot slips off the clutch.
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by joncrocks on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:31AM (#14836518)
Which it may well do if you get rear-ended. One 'accident' can become two.
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by AstralStorm on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:44AM (#14836814)
Technically you're supposed to hold on brakes or a hand brake while idle, which makes both points moot. Especially important in clutchless cars or other auto transmissions.

The brakes will hold a slipped clutch and a rear end.

The clutch has an added benefit of you get rear ended and drop it - engine braking is a thing. Not good for the engine, potentially good for your forward bumper when you get reared.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by mirimir on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:39PM (#14842453)
> The clutch has an added benefit of you get rear ended and drop it - engine braking is a thing.

There's no engine breaking when stopped, if the engine is running.

I typically do keep my foot on the brake when stopped in traffic. And I do balance brakes, clutch and throttle when stopped on a hill. But except for stop-and-go traffic, or when getting ready to punch it, using the clutch and brakes together seems pointless.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by cardiffspaceman on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:19PM (#14840492)
Safety. If clutch could fail mechanically while your foot was on it and the consequence of the failure would be the same as your foot slipping off, then it is safer to shift to neutral. I was taught this when I owned a 1980 VW Scirocco and my informant owned a 1980 Rabbit (Golf).
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by taneq on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:21AM (#14836061)
Interesting. In Australia you're required to keep it in 1st with the clutch in while at red lights.
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by sk0g on Monday July 24, 2017 @07:06AM (#14837417)
For the P plate tests maybe, but that'd depend on the state too.

The way you phrased it makes me think of cops at lights just going around and aggressively throwing gear sticks into 1st.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by taneq on Monday July 24, 2017 @07:41AM (#14837579)
I was responding to a post which said:

> Not putting it in neutral when stopped can contribute to failing your driving test in the U.K.

So the context was specifically driving tests.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by Moru on Sunday July 23, 2017 @09:37PM (#14835358)
If you need to think for thar, you're not driving enough :)
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by rhapsodic on Sunday July 23, 2017 @10:34PM (#14835524)
>If you need to think for thar, you're not driving enough :)

Aside from reducing the wear on the throwout bearing, what purpose is served by putting the car in neutral every time it is stopped in traffic?

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by hyperpape on Sunday July 23, 2017 @10:47PM (#14835556)
It lets you take your foot off the clutch ;)

In all seriousness, that's why I did it. My first stick was a truck, and even though it was small, it has a stiff clutch. You got tired of standing on it.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by rhapsodic on Sunday July 23, 2017 @11:11PM (#14835635)
> It lets you take your foot off the clutch ;)

If that's what you like, go for it, but two posts seemed to imply that I'm doing something wrong by keeping the vehicle in gear with the clutch in while stopped in traffic, and I'd really like to know what that is. One post implied that UK law encourages or even requires that the vehicle be taken out of gear when it's stopped in traffic. I've never heard anything like that in the US.

I've never encountered a clutch that took any noticeable effort for me to operate. And, considering all of the other bearings in a vehicle that are rotating under load constantly, I question the value of trying to save the throwout bearing a few extra seconds on each stop.

So I would really like to know why I should shift to neutral when stopped in traffic. Should I do it when I'm waiting for a break in the traffic in the oncoming lane so I can turn across it? (A left turn in the US.) When I'm stopping at a stop sign, and then immediately going because there is no other traffic around? When I'm stopped for a few seconds in a stop-and-go traffic jam?

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by webignition on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:29AM (#14836088)
As a UK driver, I was taught to shift to neutral and apply the parking brake when stopped for long enough to do so.

The reasoning given by my driving instructor was that this secures the vehicle and makes things just a little more safe for everyone.

If I am stopped in traffic with my parking brake on and sometime lightly rear-ends me, my vehicle may not move at all. If my parking brake were not applied, the probability of my vehicle not moving at all drops significantly.

If I am rear-ended without the parking brake applied such that my vehicle rear-ends someone in-front of me, I am partially responsible for the damage caused ahead due to my failure to secure my vehicle.

This is only tangentially related to taking my foot of the clutch. I depress the clutch in order to apply the parking brake correctly. Once the parking brake is applied, I simply have no need to continue to depress the clutch.

It takes me very little time to apply the parking brake and then release it and so I tend to do so when stopping for more than a second or two.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by Moru on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:29AM (#14836515)
And many newer cars will stop the engine if you stop the car with the clutch up. And also can activate the parking break at the same time.
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by AstralStorm on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:49AM (#14836833)
Many newer cars don't have a manual clutch anymore, so the brake is the only reasonable way. Idle only will typically coast in those. Parking gear/brake will work but is annoying to use - and it is better to use the foot brake anyway most of the time.
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by lokedhs on Sunday July 23, 2017 @08:36PM (#14835173)
I know zero. In fact, before I saw this post I didn't even know what it was.

Now, I'm pretty sure this is because I don't live in the US. Is this a purely US-specific service, or is it available (and used) anywhere else.

If not, are there similar services in other countries? I believe Wepay in China is something similar, but I don't know much about that one either.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by balladeer on Sunday July 23, 2017 @10:23PM (#14835477)
It is slightly embarassing (or not) but I started uses WhatsApp (or any IM app) somewhere in early-mid 2016. And the final request came from my sister back in the village. She complained she couldn't add me on WhatsApp.

When I joined everyone was there and I was promptly added to tens of groups which I promptly left one by one.

I have been an Android developer for 6 years now.

Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by skinnymuch on Monday July 24, 2017 @12:41AM (#14835927)
Which groups did you get added to? I too was surprised getting added to multiple groups. I've silenced some. Left some. But stay in all the family ones. Did you leave family ones too?
Re:Thanks to Venmo, We Now All Know How Cheap Our Friends Are by TulliusCicero on Sunday July 23, 2017 @07:36PM (#14834951)
Depends on the app. Venmo depends on being social and going out a lot with friends, a lot of nerds are introverted.