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Re:Peek Behind Bret Victor's Lab at YC HARC by justin66 on Thursday July 20, 2017 @08:10PM (#14817218)
I wonder if you can offer a pair of online dictionary definitions that illustrates what you see as the difference in meaning between the two words. (I bet you can't)
Re:Peek Behind Bret Victor's Lab at YC HARC by dang on Thursday July 20, 2017 @09:20PM (#14817439)
Look closely enough and you'll see that they all do. One meaning for 'heterodox' is 'holding unorthodox opinions'. That's an attribute of the person, not the opinion.

The royal road to clarifying subtle differences in language, however, is etymology, and there the difference is plain. Hetero = different, dox = opinion, ortho = correct. So the distinction here is something like "diverse opinion" vs. "incorrect opinion", which to me seems clearly meaningful.

Re:Peek Behind Bret Victor's Lab at YC HARC by dragonwriter on Friday July 21, 2017 @01:57AM (#14818374)
> The royal road to clarifying subtle differences in language, however, is etymology

No, it's not. Etymology tells you where a word came from, not what it means (either in denotation or connotation) in current usage. It will often be completely misleading in trying to unpack subtle differences in meaning.

Re:Peek Behind Bret Victor's Lab at YC HARC by DonHopkins on Friday July 21, 2017 @05:02AM (#14819064)
How is heterodoxophobia more nuanced than literally meaning being afraid of different opinions?

http://tcpc.blogs.com/musings/2010/05/homodoxuals-and-hetero...

Re:Peek Behind Bret Victor's Lab at YC HARC by dang on Friday July 21, 2017 @03:10AM (#14818647)
I couldn't disagree more.
Re:Peek Behind Bret Victor's Lab at YC HARC by pvg on Friday July 21, 2017 @01:55AM (#14818365)
The royal road to clarifying subtle differences in language, however, is etymology, and there the difference is plain.

Is it? (to either of those things). In current English usage, 'unorthodox' doesn't mean 'incorrect' and doesn't connote 'incorrect'.

Re:Peek Behind Bret Victor's Lab at YC HARC by DonHopkins on Friday July 21, 2017 @05:14AM (#14819102)
Etymology be damned: I'm still trying to figure out if he meant "royal" as in "Royale with Cheese" or "royal" as in "royal pain in the ass".
Re:Peek Behind Bret Victor's Lab at YC HARC by justin66 on Thursday July 20, 2017 @09:33PM (#14817481)
Cool.
Re:Peek Behind Bret Victor's Lab at YC HARC by jhpriestley on Friday July 21, 2017 @11:24AM (#14821256)
There is definitely a difference in meaning, maybe just in specialized fields like theology and economics.

An Austrian school economist, or an Arianist in the early Christian church, would be called "heterodox" but probably not "unorthodox". It has the connotation of following a definite tradition that is not the main tradition in the field. "Unorthodox" means something more like "doing your own thing", so Steven Levitt (the Freakonomics guy) might be called an "unorthodox economist" because he studies unusual topics like drug dealers, but not a "heterodox economist" because he studies these strange topics using mainstream theories.

I think "heterodox" fits reasonably well in this article, it suggests that these engineers are following a distinct tradition, not just "doing their own thing".

Re:Peek Behind Bret Victor's Lab at YC HARC by telharmonium on Friday July 21, 2017 @10:31PM (#14825091)
Funnily enough, an essay cited by the article contains this quote in its opening paragraph:

"...defining a heterogeneous orthodoxy for the coming Information Age..." [1]

Presumably Victor's research group is working in opposition to this conventional thinking, making them... unheterorthodox?

1. 'THE CALIFORNIAN IDEOLOGY' - http://www.imaginaryfutures.net/2007/04/17/the-californian-i...