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Re:Why It's a Bad Idea to Tell Students Words Are Violence by saurik on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @10:05PM (#14801622)
I am going to go so far as to say this article is being actively and intentionally intellectually dishonest, as the author seems to understand enough of the issues surrounding violence and speech and yet wrote an incipiently long article whose first sentence admitted that some speech could be violent but did not once attempt to analyze Milo's speech to see if it even met the author's own test for violence; not a single time here am I seeing quotes from Milo designed to make his speech look OK not at any point does the author note the actual reasons why protestors claimed Milo's speech is violence: there is just a banal assumption drawn to the length of being what I will again call out as a dishonest straw man :/.

So, the reason that people I know are so horrified by Milo is that he was calling out undocumented and transgendered students by name; not just talking about what he dislikes about these groups, but calling them before the mob of his audience on an individual basis, knowing full well that many of his audience members would go find that person and take out their issues on that person, all while not even trying to hedge the situation to demonized his own followers who turned to such levels; and, for the undocumented, essentially turning a microscope on them and making it highly likely they could find themselves deported.

This, to me, fits a usage of the term "violence". Maybe you disagree. Maybe the author also disagrees, but I don't know, as I will now again say that as the author didn't even ask this question, which let them respond to a weird philosophy piece that also didn't seem to care to ask anyone involved, which I find so ludicrously questionable in their position and with their clear understanding of other issues as to be outright dishonest. This is an article talking with another article about a group of people, and yet those people were not consulted? This should not happen.

Regardless, with this information, you now get to do what the author should have done: discuss whether you think this speech is violent--not just any speech, and not the perfect speech that this author might hope you are expecting, but the specific speech involved in the incidents on college campuses which are used in the author's examples and that are required to claim the reactions are incompatible. In all seriousness: even if you still disagree that Milo is violent, I hope we can at least agree that this article sucks.

Re:Why It's a Bad Idea to Tell Students Words Are Violence by rmartelli on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @02:03AM (#14802256)
"he was calling out undocumented and transgendered students by name; not just talking about what he dislikes about these groups"

This was a controversial case where a transgender person gave her name while she was on Milwaukee's TMJ4 News to talk about how she felt she was discriminated against.

She was kicked out of the sauna. She said "At this point I don't look very female", and that her drivers license reflects a male identity and she hadn't started hormone therapy.

Milo disagrees with her view and included a screenshot of that news clip to give some context of what someone's reaction may be when encountering her in an private setting.

I would not call taking a critical stance on a controversial news topic as violence. If you are undecided, it's not hard to find the presentation on YouTube and make your own judgement about what he said instead of reading other people's opinion.

It's not doxxing unless you believe TMJ4 also doxxed her when it displayed her name as she told her side of the story.

For what it's worth, I'm not a fan of him. But I like to correct the record when other people give a misleading spin.

Re:Why It's a Bad Idea to Tell Students Words Are Violence by steamer25 on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @10:43PM (#14801743)
I agree with you that cases of doxxing and/or incitement are different than broadly- or generally- offensive speech and there may be cases where it shouldn't necessarily be protected.

I haven't heard those charges leveled against Milo before but that may not too surprising since I don't follow the news surrounding him too closely.

Re:Why It's a Bad Idea to Tell Students Words Are Violence by isoskeles on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @11:53PM (#14801904)
I don't mean to be obtuse if the answer is obvious (I am ignorant of what actually happened), but how did Milo know these students he called out were undocumented, etc.?
Re:Why It's a Bad Idea to Tell Students Words Are Violence by mcappleton on Sunday July 23, 2017 @04:31PM (#14834229)
I think calling such speech "violence" may be a straw man. By calling it violence, people are intentionally equating his words with physically hurting someone. Since everyone knows that physically hurting someone is unacceptable, they are more likely to reject the speech. I think calling it violence is an intellectually dishonest smear
Re:Why It's a Bad Idea to Tell Students Words Are Violence by Sol-Savage on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @10:04AM (#14804323)
The author links the term violent speech to speech that induces stress, thus creates a physical and mental toll on the organism. The term has a huge room for abuse compared to, what you described, insighting violence. Insighting violence at least coneys the spirit of invoking people to commit violent acts. Violent speech in itself is violence against me because the room for its abuse stressed me out.
Re:Why It's a Bad Idea to Tell Students Words Are Violence by Chris2048 on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @06:25AM (#14803266)
> he was calling out undocumented

Does this mean people in the country illegally? What's wrong with that??

edit: I mean what's wrong with reporting them

Re:Why It's a Bad Idea to Tell Students Words Are Violence by sharemywin on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @08:32AM (#14803793)
He wasn't reporting them he was calling them out to a mob. (according to grandparent. Don't have first hand knowledge.)
Re:Why It's a Bad Idea to Tell Students Words Are Violence by Chris2048 on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @11:31AM (#14804995)
I meant when OP said:

> making it highly likely they could find themselves deported

Also, "calling out" in the presence of a mob? It seems he was rumoured to call them out in general, which is disputed?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/uc-berkely-...