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Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by interfixus on Friday July 14, 2017 @11:09PM (#14774853)
"When the researchers tested children, they found that rank-reversal aversion doesn't develop until children are 6-10 years old, which suggests that this aversion is learned culturally as the child grows up"

"In addition, the Tibetan herders who participated in the study had a markedly higher level of rank-reversal aversion than other subjects. This also suggests the trait is cultural"

An all too common kind of sloppy thinking, which generally kills my desire to read any further. No such thing is suggested. The trait may be learned, or it may be completely hardwired, kicking in action between ages six and ten. Different populations may have evolved different inbred attitudes to equality.

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by danieltillett on Friday July 14, 2017 @11:16PM (#14774866)
Just like male facial hair - it doesn’t start appearing until the teenage years so its appearance must be cultural :P

When you have a preformed ideological conclusion then logic is the first causality in any study.

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by colordrops on Saturday July 15, 2017 @12:35AM (#14775050)
> logic is the first causality

Probably the opposite of your intended meaning heh

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by danieltillett on Saturday July 15, 2017 @01:30AM (#14775163)
LOL. Yes that should be casualty :)
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by adrianratnapala on Saturday July 15, 2017 @01:28AM (#14775158)
Nah, it's a special logic caused by the intended conclusion.
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by yequalsx on Saturday July 15, 2017 @08:21AM (#14776309)
I'm guessing you are not an expert in human behavior. I'm not either. Your last sentence though is an example of the sort of sloppy thinking that kills your desire to read further.

You say, "different populations may have evolved...". You don't present any evidence for this. You just state it as a possibility. It might be the case that god causes the delay in Tibetans. Is it the responsibility of the article to counter this possibility? The article gives a credible reason for the delay in Tibetans and if the reason is correct it reinforces the idea that it is cultural.

I assume the researchers know a lot more about the topic than I do. In my experience if there is a possible objection to a conclusion researchers have made that I can think of when thinking about the topic for a few minutes then I'm the one who is almost certainly wrong.

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by dragonwriter on Friday July 14, 2017 @11:48PM (#14774954)
You seem to have made the common error of confusing “suggests” with “admits of no other explanation.”
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by interfixus on Saturday July 15, 2017 @12:06AM (#14774988)
"No such thing is suggested"

How much more explicit do you need me to be?

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by dragonwriter on Saturday July 15, 2017 @12:42PM (#14777527)
The arguments you presented supporting that do not support the absence of a suggestion, they support the absence of conclusive proof by presenting a possible alternative explanation.
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by Dylan16807 on Saturday July 15, 2017 @06:09AM (#14775932)
Why do you say that? The suggestion looks clear to me. A suggestion is a not overwhelming evidence.
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by interfixus on Saturday July 15, 2017 @07:46AM (#14776187)
As presented in the article, the learned behaviour suggestion is a complete non sequitur.

I suspect it appears clear to you only because you share the author's preconceived and possibly subconscious notion.

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by Dylan16807 on Saturday July 15, 2017 @12:41PM (#14777519)
The notion that children are not developing many new brain functions as late as 10, so behaviors that show up then are probably cultural?

That is not a non sequitur.

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by tom_mellior on Saturday July 15, 2017 @06:58AM (#14776062)
> Different populations may have evolved different inbred attitudes to equality.

I agree with the rest of your post, but here you seem to be reaching. Are there examples of behavioral/moral differences between human populations that are known to have a genetic basis?

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by interfixus on Saturday July 15, 2017 @07:22AM (#14776119)
Are there any which are known not to?

Why would you assume human populations to follow a pattern distinctly different from all the rest of biology?

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by tom_mellior on Saturday July 15, 2017 @09:10AM (#14776466)
> Are there any which are known not to?

Are there any behavioral differences known not to have a genetic basis? Yes. When in Southeast Asia, I don't show people the soles of my feet (it's not considered nice, at least in some places). In Europe I have no qualms about showing people the soles of my feet. Behavioral difference. Yet my genes don't change when traveling from A to B.

> Why would you assume human populations to follow a pattern distinctly different from all the rest of biology?

What exactly are you claiming about "the rest of biology"? Are you confusing human populations that look slightly different from each other but belong to the same species with different species of, say, felines?

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by interfixus on Saturday July 15, 2017 @11:24AM (#14777101)
Oh, I see. The cultural difference between Julius the labrador, living here, never having hurt a living being in his ten years of life, and the yapping terrier living next door, killing cats and rodents on an industrial scale.
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by tom_mellior on Saturday July 15, 2017 @06:09PM (#14779281)
Well, dog behavior is due to a large part to how they are handled by humans, and what kinds of humans pick which kinds of dogs is to a large part cultural. But yes, there is a genetic element, you're right. The hugely artificial creatures created by dog breeders aren't a very convincing example for broad statements about "the rest of biology", though.
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by yequalsx on Saturday July 15, 2017 @08:09AM (#14776274)
Because humans haven't been around long enough for one to expect that sort of genetic variation. Possibly because the link between behavior and genetics is nonexistent. I don't know enough about the topic to know if there is a link between genetics and behavior. Do you know if there is?
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by krona on Saturday July 15, 2017 @10:29AM (#14776785)
There is quite a lot of evidence that species of animals that work in cooperative groups engage various forms of behavior that seek to equalize outcomes for the group, even to their (individual) detriment. Notable examples include apes.
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by yequalsx on Saturday July 15, 2017 @11:05AM (#14776990)
My statement was about the genetic basis for behavior in humans and whether there has been enough time for genetic based human behavior to have much variation.
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by interfixus on Saturday July 15, 2017 @08:20AM (#14776305)
You would not expect populations separated by thousands of years of existence under wildly differing conditions to evolve different patterns of behaviour? Please elaborate.
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by yequalsx on Saturday July 15, 2017 @08:27AM (#14776332)
Your last sentence of your original post was

"...evolved different inbred attitudes..."

This refers to evolved in the sense of genetics. Of course human populations have different patterns of behavior. But the question is whether these patterns are cultural versus being genetic. My response above has to do with the genetic basis of behavior differences.

EDIT: Thousands of years may not be enough time to cause a genetic basis for differences in human behavior. This was the original objection raised by interfixus. The objection does not seem reasonable given the lack of evidence given for said objection in the context of interfixus complaining about the sloppy thinking in the article.

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by vanderZwan on Saturday July 15, 2017 @05:25AM (#14775809)
Call me paranoid, but it's also a Chinese study suggesting Tibetan culture is worse than the Chinese one.

Having said that, whatever the cause of it is, the results might still be something we want to try to address.

Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by throwaway2048 on Saturday July 15, 2017 @01:49AM (#14775197)
Its wrong to say no such thing is suggested, what it isn't is strong evidence of causation.
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by johnchristopher on Saturday July 15, 2017 @03:47AM (#14775543)
Are you suggesting rank-reversal aversion (and so other behaviours in the social reflexes range, I suppose) is innate ?
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by dmurray on Saturday July 15, 2017 @07:07AM (#14776086)
Many "social reflexes" behaviours are innate. Try raising a cat to have the same social behaviours as a dog.
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by undersuit on Sunday July 16, 2017 @12:12AM (#14780444)
What does this day about the difference between charitable people and selfish people. It's all just a throw of the dice?
Re:Rank-reversal aversion may be causing more social problem... by interfixus on Saturday July 15, 2017 @04:54AM (#14775728)
Two answers:

In relation to the article, I am certainly not falling into the trap of suggesting anything not really indicated by the data in case.

Personally, I most definitely am.