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Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by PaulHoule on Friday July 14, 2017 @04:57PM (#14773116)
Escalators have bad failure modes too. An escalator can function as stairs because it has a set of brakes. If those brakes fail, gravity will send everyone on the belt into a high speed collision with the floor.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by Dirlewanger on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:20PM (#14773284)
Why does there always have to be one bikeshedder in every HN thread who reads too much into another's analogy and comments about how it's flawed/wrong/inaccurate, thereby completely missing the analogy's point?
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by ksk on Friday July 14, 2017 @06:07PM (#14773594)
Because those people haven't internalized the idea of an analogy. An analogy is necessarily an imperfect abstraction, and some people think finding out those imperfections means you somehow found a flaw somewhere. Their brain (not singling out our friend here, just people in general) goes towards the exceptions in a model, because its far easier to find superficial flaws than it is to realize deeper meaning.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by inopinatus on Friday July 14, 2017 @07:22PM (#14774005)
This is a wonderful observation. It is a lesson that I took far too long to learn as a young and somewhat insecure programmer, thereby becoming entangled in many unproductive arguments.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by megous on Friday July 14, 2017 @07:50PM (#14774151)
Perhaps not this case, but analogies when used as persuasion devices, can get quite dangerous. It's important to realize when they are false, or misleading, or overly reductionist, in order not to fall for them.

I certainly fell for a few false ones in the past. Sometimes only deeper meaning is that someone's trying to manipulate you.

Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by seanmcdirmid on Friday July 14, 2017 @07:44PM (#14774113)
I also was just thinking about those poor woman who got killed in a Chinese escalator accident a few years ago, totally missing the analogy's point.

But that's just a problem with analogies, they trigger different ideas in different people's heads.

Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by FussyZeus on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:56PM (#14773514)
Just wanted to thank you for adding the term "bikeshedder" to my vocabulary.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by tgtweak on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:51PM (#14773480)
Being pedantic can have it's merits but yes, it can get old.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by marssaxman on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:24PM (#14773311)
The same is true of elevators, though, is it not? If we're postulating motor failure and brake failure, I'd still rather take my chances with a broken escalator.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by marcuslager on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:02PM (#14773157)
There has to be way to much friction in the mechanics for that to happen. No?

Mitch. One of the greats. Uncopyable.

Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by pzenger on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:10PM (#14773201)
Nope - Elevator failure in Hong Kong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADb57ysvCbU

Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by a_t48 on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:20PM (#14773279)
/s/Elevator/Escalator/
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by peller on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:15PM (#14773243)
Do escalators not come with a ratcheting mechanism to prevent exactly that from happening? Seems to me like a serious design error if not..
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by euyyn on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:25PM (#14773320)
I guess they were designed to run in both directions, meaning you can't mechanically lock the "down" direction.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by FussyZeus on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:57PM (#14773524)
I mean, it's probably a Chinese escalator. We didn't get the term "Shenzhen Quality" out of thin air.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by StavrosK on Friday July 14, 2017 @06:16PM (#14773649)
That seems a bit of a misnomer when everything is made in Shenzen.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by seanmcdirmid on Friday July 14, 2017 @07:46PM (#14774127)
Most escalators used outside of China are not made in Shenzhen.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by bykovich2 on Friday July 14, 2017 @06:43PM (#14773790)
Funny, it seems increasingly apt to me.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by semi-extrinsic on Friday July 14, 2017 @05:58PM (#14773525)
Just sayin', if I were building an escalator I would definitely use a wormdrive (or similar) gearbox, which physically cannot be backdriven.
Re:The Internet of Things – A Disaster by JumpCrisscross on Friday July 14, 2017 @07:01PM (#14773893)
I'll bite. The analogy has a failing elevator becoming a jail. That sounds like motor but not brake failure, i.e. the elevator getting stuck. If both motors and brakes failed, an elevator becomes a coffin not a jail.