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Re:EU Prepares "Right to Repair" Legislation to Fight Short ... by mcv on Monday July 10, 2017 @07:25AM (#14734933)
We recently had to replace a built-in fridge that broke after 6 years. Repairing was not an option; it had to be replaced. This was an expensive A brand (AEG) fridge that was supposedly very energy efficient, but it seems it had been installed wrong and probably wasted way too much energy.

The fridge I had before that was my parents' old stand-alone fridge which was 20 years old when I got it, and was still working perfectly fine 8 years later when we replaced it because we bought a new kitchen with built-in fridge. It never had any problems.

I recently came across a recommendation to replace old fridges because they were energy inefficient, but I have my doubts. I do think stand-alone fridges are probably always going to be better than built-in ones. Easier access, easier to repair, and no issues with somebody installing it incorrectly.

Re:EU Prepares "Right to Repair" Legislation to Fight Short ... by agumonkey on Monday July 10, 2017 @07:40AM (#14735007)
All in all, the issue is too much hearsay and not enough ways to check anything. Maybe old fridge are less efficient than new ones, but for what reason ? electric conversion ? bad radiator ? stupid motor ??

How these built in fridge done ? how many ? (I guess a standalone is made in more numbers so they have more know-how and mileage)

Also brands are deceitful after some time. At once they meant skills (say 60-90s SONY) but after a while, on mainstream product it's mostly a tag. For instance I found an AEG beard trimmer and was thrilled because AEG means gold in my eyes, when opened, it was a generic chinese PCB / assembly with a cute and sexy AEG case (you pay for the rubber).

Re:EU Prepares "Right to Repair" Legislation to Fight Short ... by mcv on Monday July 10, 2017 @03:31PM (#14738920)
> Maybe old fridge are less efficient than new ones, but for what reason ? electric conversion ? bad radiator ? stupid motor ??

Motors are simple. My blind guess is that it's a mixture of improved insulation and improved heat flow.

Though speaking of heat flow, stand-alone fridges always come with requirements that they need a certain amount of space for the heat to escape the rear of the fridge. Builtin fridges don't have that heat. I now find myself wondering whether builtin fridges can ever be as efficient as standalone ones.

And you're right that it can be advantageous in the short term for quality companies to cut costs by cutting corners while coasting on their reputation. Who knows, AEG might be doing that right now. Your AEG beard trimmer makes me regret we didn't go with Bosch or Miele after all.

Re:EU Prepares "Right to Repair" Legislation to Fight Short ... by agumonkey on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @05:03AM (#14742627)
Yeah I recently read about thermodynamics and understand it needs a way to push heat away otherwise the gradient will lower.

I also read about people plugging water circuit on top to tranfer heat into a hot water container, it's probably useful for a hot shower..