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Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by victorNicollet on Friday July 07, 2017 @10:21AM (#14718502)
The spam problem has never been solved, no matter how good spam filters may have become in the recent years. It's still an arms race, with a front that is moving one way or another every few months. Even today, a spam filter is a piece of software that you trust to throw away e-mails without letting you read them, based on its own decision that you don't want to read them.

It seems insane to me that people would willingly let a program decide to throw away inbound mail based on unspecified rules. And I nearly start frothing at the mouth when someone suggests that, since their software decided to throw away my e-mail, it is somehow my responsibility to fix that. It isn't.

If there were thousands of different anti-spam solutions, and one of them behaved badly, then senders wouldn't care, and users would vote with their feet (or wallet, or app store) until the behaviour was fixed. But since Google has a near-monopoly on e-mail, it's now up to the senders to do the work and jump through the badly-documented ever-changing hoops.

Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by throwanem on Friday July 07, 2017 @10:29AM (#14718571)
> It seems insane to me that people would willingly let a program decide to throw away inbound mail based on unspecified rules.

See, you say that, and until a few days ago I'd have felt the same. But that was before I registered the first .com domain I've ever owned, and oh boy has that brought them out of the woodwork - I've gotten more spam in the last week than in any of the past ten years prior! Not just email, but phone calls, too; I even heard from one of those tech support scams, and it's been so long since the last time that happened that I couldn't even tell you when it was.

It seems to be settling down in the last day or so, which is nice. But if it picks up again, I'll absolutely be installing SpamAssassin on my MTA host, for the first time in the going on two decades I've been running my own mail.

To be clear, I totally agree with your point about Gmail - it's far too centralized and unaccountable for my own comfort, too, which is part of why I don't use it for any mail I care about. But a lot of my correspondents do, which means I'm nonetheless in the position of either taking assiduous care to maximize my deliverability, or risking my mail landing in spam folders that nobody ever really looks through. Not a good situation, but at least until someone comes up with a plausible means of addressing it from the outside, here we are.

Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by kuon on Friday July 07, 2017 @10:34AM (#14718615)
I don't know where you registered your domain, but I have like 100 domains, and I've never been contacted about them (except by the registrar of course). Most of them have valid and router MX.
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by throwanem on Friday July 07, 2017 @10:38AM (#14718644)
GoDaddy, and maybe that's my problem. On the other hand, I've been doing business with them for many years, and never had anything remotely resembling this happen before. I also didn't use whois privacy, but, again, I've made that choice on many domains before, and likewise never seen anything like this result from it.
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by saul_goodman on Friday July 07, 2017 @11:16AM (#14718970)
Some domains have been used as shit magnets and you can inherit that mess if you pick it up quickly after it's been dropped.

I wouldn't believe it myself, until it happened to me. I've run small mail servers for various domains for years with only "average" amounts of spam. Then one time I picked up a personal domain of my handle (not this one) which I'd wanted for years and I discovered it finally was free. The moment I setup an mx for that domain I got a firehose of spam coming in to it. In fact it was so bad I had to unreg the mx and leave it for another year before it was worth doing anything email-wise with the domain. Just the bounce processing was driving cpu and bandwidth more than I cared to deal with, even if it wasn't receiving any local mail.

Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by throwanem on Friday July 07, 2017 @12:55PM (#14719925)
I checked the IP and the domain before I went with either of them, and their reputations are both clean, so I don't think that's it. I've definitely had that kind of trouble in the past, though.
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by rtx on Friday July 07, 2017 @11:06AM (#14718876)
This is due to a new business model. Where companies scrape ICANN data base for newly registered domains and then sell it to service providers.
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by throwanem on Friday July 07, 2017 @12:56PM (#14719935)
That squares with what I'm seeing, yeah - a lot of cheaply automated nonsense trolling for a few suckers.

Is there anywhere I can look for more information on how this model works in detail, and how to avoid the same problem in future? It's a real pain in the neck. Thanks!

Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by rtx on Friday July 07, 2017 @03:02PM (#14721112)
Best way is to opt for whois protection in your first year or for first few months. Here is a mail I received offering the service.

Hello,

My Name is Prk Aa

We are providing whois data in very low price

Daily more than 100,000 domains are registered

Reply Me with your contact number & skype id.

Warm Regards Prk Aa

Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by throwanem on Friday July 07, 2017 @03:44PM (#14721459)
Lessons learned, I suppose...
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by Macha on Friday July 07, 2017 @02:58PM (#14721075)
Except it's not new at all. Since I first got my email on my primary domain in 2008 or so I've had admin@, postmaster@ etc., Along with the address in whois all being spammed.
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by mcguire on Friday July 07, 2017 @11:44AM (#14719269)
Wait until you start getting physical mail based on your DNS entries. :-)
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by throwanem on Friday July 07, 2017 @01:01PM (#14719969)
It'll take some doing for anyone to beat the long conversation I had to have, years back, with a representative of a very large film studio, who were concerned that a domain I'd registered might verge uncomfortably closely on their mark.

Worked out in the end - it only took them a few minutes actually looking at the content to realize, on the one hand, that it was clearly not being used for any commercial purpose, and on the other, that there was no meaningful risk of confusion between my domain name and their mark. They were happy to wait to buy it until I was done with it. But it was a surprising call to receive at seven o'clock on a Saturday evening!

Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by TomMarius on Friday July 07, 2017 @10:30AM (#14718591)
I get more than 3 hundred spam emails daily. My inbox would be absolutely unusable of it wasn't for spam filters.
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by stevekemp on Friday July 07, 2017 @01:50PM (#14720445)
I don't want to turn it into a contest, but across my domains I receive in excess of 3000 spam emails a day.
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by Mystrl on Friday July 07, 2017 @01:05PM (#14720008)
At least personally as far as I can tell the spam problem has been solved by gmail. I can't even remember the last time I saw a spam message in my inbox and can count on one hand the number of times I've had to go into the spam folder to find a legitimate email.
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by CaptSpify on Friday July 07, 2017 @05:24PM (#14722243)
> Even today, a spam filter is a piece of software that you trust to throw away e-mails without letting you read them, based on its own decision that you don't want to read them.

The way I set up rules on my mail server, they all just go into a spam folder that I browse every once in a while. If anyone is going to delete my shit, it's me.

Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by draw_down on Friday July 07, 2017 @10:26AM (#14718544)
Do they really have a "near monopoly" on email? How near are we talking here?
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by saul_goodman on Friday July 07, 2017 @11:23AM (#14719049)
It's scarey stupid how much the "big 3" own email now. Google, Yahoo, Hotmail. When any of them change up their spam fighting techniques it causes ripple effects across the entire email ecosystem now.

Have Yahoo mail subscribers on a Mailman mailing list? Not if you're not running the latest Mailman which has a new workaround just for them. Yahoo started bouncing legitimate mail a couple years ago due to the normal way mailing lists have ALWAYS handled sender addresses, since before Yahoo existed.

I get it, sometimes desparate times call for desparate measures (for fighting spam). But jeeze, it's super annoying to have to break your package manager to get an upstream mail server to support one user who uses one certain mail hosting service.

Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by petercooper on Friday July 07, 2017 @11:42AM (#14719244)
I send newsletters (that people double opt in to and want to receive) to about 360k developers each week and a good 90% are on Gmail or have their domain on Gmail. This is very specifically developers, however.
Re:An email list’s open rate drops over 50% after changes to... by mikl on Friday July 07, 2017 @10:39AM (#14718660)
In the younger, private mail account demographic, I’ve seen as much as 80% of some e-mail lists being Gmail accounts. For business, Exchange is still king, but Gmail is gaining on them.