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Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by foreigner on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @01:56AM (#14700214)
How about implementing an RSS interface on top of the likes of Twitter and Facebook by screen scraping? Would have to take authentication of course. Then we could consume it via RSS readers just like the good ol' days. Does that already exist? I would pay for that.
Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by Animats on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @02:41AM (#14700346)
Facebook used to support RSS feeds. So did Twitter. Now they're both gone, to force people to use their ad-laden interfaces. There are services to generate RSS feeds from both, but there's probably some catch to that.

[1] https://zapier.com/blog/facebook-twitter-rss-feed/

Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by zdkl on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @03:56AM (#14700617)
The social media are pushing the social thing, which is fair enough from a business standpoint.

What isn't fine is that users are (intentionnaly, could be argued) led to believe that the media part is equivalent to traditional "RSS-like" media like AFP/Reuters/Bloomberg who carried the responsibility of being trustable.

There's a place and implementation for everything and social media is not an appropriate platform for diffusion of factchecked information. How we make use of the different information dispersion platforms is on us!

Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by alanfranzoni on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @03:34AM (#14700514)
Most probably it would be illegal, against each website's TOS. If such tool catches up, it will be removed - and you still need to account for upstream changes that periodically kill the functionality.
Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @04:04AM (#14700652)
Thinking of such a tool as a service is a symptom of the same disease that got us where we are in the first place. If such tool would, instead, be open-source and self-hosted (or a component of trivially self-hosted) application, websites could do exactly shit about it. Traffic will be coming from everywhere, and the tool will get updated by people to overcome upstream interface changes.

Ultimately, it's SaaS webapps that's the problem. The model has legitimate benefits (lack of installation, cross-platform), but it also is the reason the Web centralizes so much.

Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by alanfranzoni on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @05:04AM (#14700893)
Most probably the github repo will be suspended, even though it's self hosted, I think. And you still need to account for upstream changes.
Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @05:25AM (#14700974)
Forget Github. It might be just a regular git repo on someone's server. IANAL, but could companies really go against a person hosting the source code of a software that scraps a website?

Even if, that's probably solvable (by turning it into cat-and-mouse game, TPB/SciHub-style). Have a non-turing-complete set of conversion rules that do scrapping -> standardized-data-format via a general-purpose scrapper. Distribute those through P2P. There might be problems with malicious actors, but generally this should be possible to implement in a way that's mostly transparent for end users.

> And you still need to account for upstream changes.

Upstream changes will never be too extreme to handle manually, if we're talking scrapping solutions - because any such extreme changes would also piss off the regular browser users.

Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @04:29AM (#14700756)
Against the TOS does not make something illegal.
Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by dredmorbius on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @09:25AM (#14702183)
Unfortunately, that's precisely what the CFAA does, in the United States. EFF's interpretation:

The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (“CFAA”), 18 U.S.C. § 1030, is an amendment made in 1986 to the Counterfeit Access Device and Abuse Act that was passed in 1984 and essentially states that, whoever intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains information from any protected computer if the conduct involved an interstate or foreign communication shall be punished under the Act. In 1996 the CFAA was, again, broadened by an amendment that replaced the term “federal interest computer” with the term “protected computer.”18 U.S.C. § 1030. While the CFAA is primarily a criminal law intended to reduce the instances of malicious interferences with computer systems and to address federal computer offenses, an amendment in 1994 allows civil actions to brought under the statute, as well.

https://ilt.eff.org/index.php/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act_%...

Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by eeZah7Ux on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @06:40AM (#14701311)
Not yet - but people seem to confuse legislators and corporations more and more frequently...
Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @06:41AM (#14701316)
Clink or Hoosegow?
Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by Semaphor on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @02:42AM (#14700349)
There is a tool that converts Twitter to RSS. I used to use it to get updates from a fantasy author who had neither a website nor a mailing list. It was self hosted but can't remember the name.
Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by Silvus on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @03:40AM (#14700543)
Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by Semaphor on Thursday July 06, 2017 @06:32AM (#14709332)
Not the one I used (it started with Tw), but useful nonetheless :)
Re:Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back a... by ksrm on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @01:07PM (#14704175)
That looks excellent. Thanks for posting it!