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Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by lyal on Sunday July 02, 2017 @06:31PM (#14684684)
Seeding entrepreneurialism in emerging markets makes sense both altruistically and in return potential for an investor -- you're not competing in a saturated market, like say seed investing in the valley, and costs are low. If you can solve the other side, such as access to capital, M&A opportunity, and potentially international customers, as Jorn is doing, you're in a great place.

The part about training for business conduct feels a bit iffy in tone from the level of detail it goes into. I bought a company in Germany a few years back, and my Canadian sensibilities certainly offended folks until I learned the rules of the local culture. Any cross border business interactions are fraught with this.

A few of my friends are currently investing/managing a company out of Ghana. Extremely low investment has yielded a great growth curve, and they're changing how sub-Saharan Africans manage their finances. They're some of the happiest investor/entrepreneurs I know.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by mattbettinson on Sunday July 02, 2017 @08:05PM (#14684997)
What Canadian sensibilities?
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by ejanus on Monday July 03, 2017 @05:53AM (#14687097)
>>they're changing how sub-Saharan Africans manage their finances.

Sub Sahara is not pretty backward that they can't manage their finances . When a startup is doing marketing pitch let them paint the real picture. I know we are not where we ought to be but we are not lacking in the area of innovation and creativity.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by ice109 on Monday July 03, 2017 @01:56PM (#14690150)
what percent of sub-Saharan Africa still participates in subsistence agriculture? I bet even you have a garden.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by 0xbear on Sunday July 02, 2017 @06:57PM (#14684747)
How do you make money off of people who don’t have anything though?
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by eganist on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:04PM (#14684773)
It's about value creation. A band of enthusiasts in the middle of nowhere and with no resources to create anything will probably have a hard time bootstrapping a startup, especially when you consider the relative definitions of "no resources," but that's the point of starting an incubator: to help resource the enthusiasts.

If they can take what they get and run with it in pursuit of the idea that got them the investment, they've now created value where none previously existed. Commence the theoretical positive cascade of investments and growth and having an exit strategy so that investors and entrepreneurs get back a return on what they invested.

The part that's kinda taken on faith, though, is whether the value created will stay in the area. Unless there are huge incentives to stay local, I see the companies, exited founders, and investors all taking their funds and resources back into developed nations rather than staying local and perpetuating prosperity where they first laid their roots. There's hope that there'll be a will to stay local... but man, people tend to take whatever chance they can get to escape a bad place.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by taneq on Sunday July 02, 2017 @08:34PM (#14685097)
> The part that's kinda taken on faith, though, is whether the value created will stay in the area. Unless there are huge incentives to stay local, I see the companies, exited founders, and investors all taking their funds and resources back into developed nations rather than staying local and perpetuating prosperity where they first laid their roots.

Are you talking about the foreign investors or locals who've succeeded? I can see locals using their new wealth to escape, but if it's working that well for the foreign investors, I don't see why they'd leave (at least in the short term - over decades the brain drain effect would be real).

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by frostymarvelous on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @03:38AM (#14694220)
Escape? Those who wished to escape took different paths, visa lotteries and the like.

Those of us who've stayed back and are actively involved in tech entrepreneurship have little desire to leave. We would have already, we have the skills.

Ghana might not have it the best, but every country started like this. It takes dedication from its citizens to grow and that mindset is catching on now.

Not to detract from the rest of your answer though.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by dna_polymerase on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:05PM (#14684778)
One could argue that monetization isn't actually a problem tackled by most SV companies...
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by 0xbear on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:18PM (#14684814)
That would be a really weak argument though. 100% of VCs are in it for the money.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by dna_polymerase on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:38PM (#14684884)
Yes, but not exactly because they want the company to generate some but most of the cases so they can sell it off to one of the big players.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by ErikVandeWater on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:23PM (#14684827)
Technology-efficiency startups are the best bet - My startup reduces the cost of doing _blank_ by 100 times. You have to pay me 1/10th of what you currently pay to do _blank_.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by 0xbear on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:25PM (#14684836)
Unless your _blank_ is food or water, your startup will have a heck of a time in Ghana.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by mooreds on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:51PM (#14684943)
In 2012, 1 in 5 Ghanaians spent between $4 and $20/day: https://www.ft.com/content/893ae814-486d-11e2-a6b3-00144feab...

Seems like there might be some money to be made there beyond food and water.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by narrator on Monday July 03, 2017 @07:28AM (#14687459)
Remittances from abroad too. This is one of the more practical use cases for cryptocurrency.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by rokhayakebe on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:32PM (#14684851)
How do you make money off of people who don’t have anything though?

Well these people pay rent, electricity, phone bills, buy clothes, food, education for the kids, have cars, etc... Surely you can make money from them.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by gfredtech on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:50PM (#14684938)
That's right. Maybe he thinks we have very few smartphones here too. In fact, smartphone adoption(Android especially) is growing really fast here (I can't give figures though)
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by comboy on Sunday July 02, 2017 @09:14PM (#14685271)
You said in some other reply that there's a problem with moving money around. Don't smartphones help with that?
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by gfredtech on Monday July 03, 2017 @02:40AM (#14686315)
Yes, but the smartphone adoption rate is faster than mobile money adoption. I'm positive it'll take a different turn in a few years to come.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by lyal on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:20PM (#14684818)
Think it's probably wrong to say that they don't have anything -- they just have less on a GDP basis.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by 0xbear on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:23PM (#14684826)
Anything discretionary that is. Ghana’s per capita PPP GDP is $1381 and falling. That’s a bit over $100/mo
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by gfredtech on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:37PM (#14684873)
Ghana doesn't have a food and water problem. I'm not saying it doesn't exist here but then our real problems are undereducation and moving value around(because lots of people are unbanked)... people will pay for your product here like they would anywhere else, provided it solves their problem. I think that the reason why people outside the country invest here is because 1. there's a low risk and 2. your next customer could be someone who had his problem solved as a result of your investment. A typical example would be Zuckerberg investing in beaming internet across rural areas, cos in the end a lot of the new internet users will sign up for Facebook...
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by msabalau on Sunday July 02, 2017 @09:25PM (#14685311)
A number of sites put the nominal GDP at $1000 and change and PPP GDP at around $4000. Not sure who to believe, the World Bank, the IMF or the CIA.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by curiouslurker on Sunday July 02, 2017 @05:43PM (#14684520)
"There’s the old saying that A students become professors, B students become mid-level managers at large corporations and the C students endow buildings and professorships."

Is this really true? Where is from?

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by projectramo on Sunday July 02, 2017 @06:51PM (#14684733)
It is true that people with poor GPAs (to a certain extent) often do very well. They might achieve extreme results more often than people with better GPAs.

To what extent? The number is 2.9 http://www.businessinsider.com/eric-barker-millionaires-bad-...

However, this just shows that they are outliers. It may turn out to be the case that there are just as many negative outliers for that GPA (or not, I don't know).

If you are asking if it is true that this is an old saying, I have heard the sentiment before many times. I can't remember the name of the book where someone said the people who got the to the moon were lead by a C-student but all of them had perfect GPAs. However, I don't know of that particular phrasing.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by zone411 on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:24PM (#14684831)
This 2.9 number comes from "Millionaire Mind," published in 2000 with the data from 1990s. The same book states that 2% of millionaires were in the top 1% of the college classes and 90% graduated from college. Note the huge amount of grade inflation since the surveyed millionaires graduated (their average age was 54, so they would be in college on average in the 1960s) and a large increase in the percentage of students attending colleges. And a myriad of possible selection biases. It doesn't seem like a good argument that people with poor GPAs do better than people with high GPAs.

http://www.gradeinflation.com/tcr2010grading.pdf

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/images/2010/ted_20100428.png

https://books.google.com/books?id=p60tDntHVnUC&pg=PA99&lpg=P...

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by divenorth on Sunday July 02, 2017 @09:41PM (#14685366)
Exactly. How much money did those people start out with? If you're from a wealthy family and will work for the family business it doesn't matter what your GPA is.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by 0xbear on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:03PM (#14684768)
Don’t know if this is true, but it rings true all the same. A students get bogged down with “getting an A” at what they do. That requires a lot of time and work. C students socialize and make connections. They fail a lot more often than they succeed, but there’s survivor bias.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by sjg007 on Sunday July 02, 2017 @06:52PM (#14684738)
A students also go to med school.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by gfredtech on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:06PM (#14684786)
I'm from Ghana and this trend happens quite a lot. But most of the time, the C students who become successful tend to come from wealthy families...
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by wavefunction on Sunday July 02, 2017 @11:37PM (#14685683)
I love your post.

Because our successful American C students come from wealthy families as well.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by cmahler7 on Monday July 03, 2017 @07:07AM (#14687376)
The key is that there's a big difference from getting C's because you are working on a business on the side and getting C's because you are spending too much time partying or just aren't that smart. Too many people use this as an excuse to justify bad grades.

For me I just saw it as another example of the 80/20 rule. I could spend hours studying to get an A or do the minimum and still get a B and spend my time working on more important stuff

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by danieltillett on Sunday July 02, 2017 @05:54PM (#14684551)
Thanks to grade inflation there are only A students now.

I think the quote is implying the C students are the wealthy legacy students that are there to party, but who have the family money to name buildings.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by santaclaus on Sunday July 02, 2017 @05:55PM (#14684556)
Zuckerberg and Gates either had good enough high school GPAs and SATs to get into Harvard or got in on legacy (George W. Bush Yale style).
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by uiri on Sunday July 02, 2017 @06:52PM (#14684737)
They didn't get in on legacy. Their fathers went to local public universities instead respectively.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by sjg007 on Sunday July 02, 2017 @06:55PM (#14684742)
Both had rich parents though. I think that makes it slightly easier to get into Harvard. They could live in good neighborhoods, attend the best public or private schools and also try entrepreneurial activities with a safety net. Now maybe that safety is overrated in general but it is still there nonetheless.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by dna_polymerase on Sunday July 02, 2017 @07:03PM (#14684770)
Gates also left a mark or two at Harvard for actual academic stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancake_sorting
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by qazpot on Monday July 03, 2017 @03:46AM (#14686588)
Q - Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incubator in Ghana?

A - To make more money.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by wilsonfiifi on Monday July 03, 2017 @07:04AM (#14687361)
>> One challenge has been the lack of engineering expertise to build infrastructure that scales. The ‘WhatsApp for feature phones’ company got more traffic than they could handle and could not scale up fast enough ...

If I remember correctly, at the time Saya was being built, GAE (google app engine) was available so couldn't they have just used that to take care of the scalability issues whiles they gradually developed local/in-house expertise?

I've always assumed the "easier path" would be to use GAE, Heroku or any other commercial PaaS until it becomes more economical to switch to an IaaS which is more hands-on and requires in-house devops or system admin skills.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by mattmanser on Monday July 03, 2017 @07:16AM (#14687406)
You can't just throw an app at GAE, Heroku or any other PaaS and it'll magically scale. Even putting aside you have to have design the program for that kind of scaling, use the right language and database, a lot of apps will have hard bottlenecks in them. Table locks, disk access, API access, whatever it is.

That's part of the expertise he alludes to.

For example, one client had a small customer base (10s of thousands), but was already having to use Premium tier in Azure because of performance problems (P2). Very seasonal business, massive usage around Xmas.

The coming Xmas they knew they had a serious problem, triple the amount of users. The site would have gone down.

Bit of refactoring and performance tweaking from me and instead they never really went above 20% CPU and could sit on Azure's S2 tier (and realistically could have used S1).

I'm no scaling expert, but I at least knew where to look after a decade of working on real apps and reading articles about scaling on HN.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by honestoHeminway on Monday July 03, 2017 @07:45AM (#14687544)
Seeing how many of the valles incubators focus on things that are sole needed by the inhabitants in the valley, this is a great chance to supply blindspot-markets with products & solutions.
Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by yinso on Sunday July 02, 2017 @05:53PM (#14684546)
> We’ve had a few successes. One of our companies was acquired by an Accel backed company.

> The other is Saya, the first African company to pitch at TechCrunch Disrupt. Weeks before the event the founders didn’t even have passports!

It is very cool that there are already success stories.

Without ever being in Africa, I lack the knowledge and wonder if the current infrastructure is capable of supporting knowledge-based economy on a broad scale, but it's certainly good to see that high tech businesses could thrive there, and incubators are getting created.

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by jernfrost on Monday July 03, 2017 @04:09AM (#14686686)
Most of these countries are developing countries with low education levels so obviously it can't be broad, but of course in any country there will be a segment of the population who are well educated and/or affluent. Take China, most Chinese are dirt poor but because there are so many Chinese you can go to modern enclaves like Shanghai and never experience this poverty.

In general however return on investment tends to be high in developing countries because they lack so much. There are lots of businesses you can start with minimum competition. E.g. I've seen many stories about poorely educated Chinese getting rich in Africa. They start shops, facories and all sorts of stuff lacking

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by ejanus on Monday July 03, 2017 @05:47AM (#14687072)
>>poorely educated Chinese getting rich

Why can't educated Chinese do same ?

Re:Why a Successful Valley Entrepreneur Started a Tech Incub... by bobabooey02 on Monday July 03, 2017 @06:30AM (#14687241)
They can, and many do succeed. In the US right now, education is a proxy for class, so saying the uneducated Chinese can succeed is like saying the Chinese lower class can succeed, which isn't necessary true. It requires capital to start a business, not education.