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Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by overcast on Sunday July 02, 2017 @11:50AM (#14683020)
Second hand smoke is dangerous, no matter what the source is. You're burning a fuel into carcinogens. Just because Marijuana might combust into something slightly less, doesn't mean anyone wants to breathe it.
Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by linkregister on Sunday July 02, 2017 @12:16PM (#14683115)
Cooking with gas in a kitchen also exposes people to toxic fumes. Burning wood in a wood stove without adequate ventilation exposes people to carcinogens, particulates, and carbon monoxide.

The secondhand smoke discussion is a good topic derailment for marijuana legalization. People will argue about that issue instead of just thinking about ways to consume it without exposing others to harm, such as going outside or any of the non-smoking ways to consume cannabis.

Second-hand smoke is an actual risk, but the studies that WHO cite all consider indoor use. Burning carcinogens should simply never be done without adequate ventilation, whether for food preparation, science experiments, or recreation.

http://www.who.int/tobacco/research/secondhand_smoke/about/e...

Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by XorNot on Sunday July 02, 2017 @12:55PM (#14683249)
Cooking with natural gas is in no way equivalent to second hand smoke. A gas flame produces almost no particulates, and can't produce complex toxic organics.

It's also misdirection to suggest carbon monoxide is dangerous in the same way as smoke is.

Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by linkregister on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @11:29PM (#14699803)
It's misdirection to disregard the extremely effective mitigations to the risk of secondhand smoke in the context of a legalization debate.
Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by XorNot on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @11:06AM (#14702955)
Neverminding that I made no reference to second hand smoke, let's unpack that anyway:

Research has shown that the volume of airflow needed to be mitigate the second hand smoke risk in at-risk workers is not met by any establishments, nor is it likely to be (because it's huge) - http://www.tcsg.org/sfelp/FedOHSHAets.pdf. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/seco....

So please tell me, what "extremely effective" mitigations exist? Does anyone implement them in the workplace?

Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by linkregister on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @07:28PM (#14707017)
I don't really understand your rationale. You reply to someone who is refuting a point related to cannabis legalization. I'm not interested in following this argument to whatever winding road you're attempting to steer it to.

I don't like secondhand smoke, and studies are clear about its harmfulness. Nobody in this entire thread is advocating burning carcinogens indoors.

The effective mitigations (not sure why you used scare quotes) are

1. Burning carcinogens outside

2. Accomplishing the goal without burning carcinogens, e.g. ingesting chemicals through oral consumption or vaporization.

Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by collyw on Sunday July 02, 2017 @11:58AM (#14683056)
Probably not as bad as diesel fumes, but no one gives a shit about those.
Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by mwfunk on Sunday July 02, 2017 @02:05PM (#14683598)
I don't know where you get the idea that "no one gives a shit about inhaling diesel fumes". That's an odd assertion to make.
Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by collyw on Sunday July 02, 2017 @02:12PM (#14683637)
In comparison to "ban smoking from parks", "ban electronic cigarettes", no one seems to give a shit. In fact I haven't seen any move to limit the fumes in any way.
Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by overcast on Saturday July 08, 2017 @04:53PM (#14727151)
Sure we do, that's why we have emissions laws, catalytic converters, and most of the population running on unleaded gasoline.
Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by throwaway91111 on Sunday July 02, 2017 @12:09PM (#14683085)
And yet cannabis smoke does not seem to carry the same life expectancy and particularly lung cancer risk for light to moderate smokers. How do you square this with your understanding (mine, too) of smoke being inherently carcinogenic?

Not to argue against your point; i'm a little confused why one would argue FOR second hand smoke. In any circumstance with smoke.

Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by grenoire on Sunday July 02, 2017 @12:20PM (#14683129)
I am yet to see a study that has compared one-pack-a-day smokers of tobacco and marijuana. Effects of cigarettes become significant after one pack year, and I don't know if you can even find participants for a test, who smoke marijuana in equivalent weight.

Until then, "marijuana is better than tobacco" is simply a bullshit statement. Smoke less cigarettes and your risk of cancer and respiratory diseases will of course be lower!

Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by bluejekyll on Sunday July 02, 2017 @12:38PM (#14683181)
http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/health/news/a52634/marijuan...

That sources this study:

http://nationalacademies.org/hmd/~/media/Files/Report%20File...

That study states that "there is moderate evidence that there is no statistical evidence for ... lung cancer".

Now most studies in this area make mention of the fact that even for heavy marijuana smokers, they never smoke as much as a pack a day cigarette smoker. Which is to say, that even though there is more tar in the smoke of marijuana per gram, people don't smoke as much because they don't feel a need to.

That does not mean it is safe, but there is no evidence that it's as bad a cigarettes.

Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by linkregister on Sunday July 02, 2017 @12:17PM (#14683120)
It's a good way to derail the topic and preserve the status quo of illegal cannabis.
Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by rdiddly on Sunday July 02, 2017 @01:41PM (#14683476)
"The" topic? Are there not several topics?
Re:Why Is It So Hard to Study Marijuana? by calafrax on Sunday July 02, 2017 @12:39PM (#14683184)
Yes, but what amount of exposure is necessary to have an adverse health effect?

Just because something is dangerous at a certain exposure does not make it dangerous at all exposure levels.

Failing to highlight this difference is what separates FUD from actual science.