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Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by tptacek on Friday June 23, 2017 @05:08PM (#14622808)
It has not at all been my experience, at any point in my career, no matter which group of men that I've worked with, that passively observing a man exhibiting or talking about aggressive sexual behavior has been a dealbreaker.

That's not to say harassment and abuse aren't dealbreakers for the men I've worked with; for most of them, it is. But it has to be spelled out for them. A victim has to speak up about it. It has not been my experience that men surveil each other to ensure that their sexual behavior is appropriate or benign.

I had a similar response to the controversy over the Trump Access Hollywood tapes. Jake Tapper was talking to a Trump surrogate who claimed that the tapes were just "locker room talk". Tapper, aghast, said something to the effect of "not in any locker room I've ever been in". My response (to myself, quietly): Jake Tapper, you are full of shit.

Obviously none of this is good stuff! It's just important that we try to be more self-aware about it.

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by genericpseudo on Friday June 23, 2017 @05:30PM (#14622957)
At a previous company, I worked with someone in a recent highly-public sexism scandal (if I said who or where, I would no longer be a genericpseudo).

I knew that the person was extremely brash and was told that they indulged in "locker-room talk", though I didn't personally observe any harassing behavior. I didn't speak up about what I heard. I wish I had. I wonder, and worry, if anything as bad as what happened at their next company happened at the company I worked at. I'm really uncomfortable with the odds that it did.

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by literallycancer on Friday June 23, 2017 @05:52PM (#14623067)
There's some value in being able to talk bluntly with other men. And I'm not sure it's much worse than what I observed groups of women talking about.
Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by deciplex on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:06PM (#14623140)
There's not really any value in having that sort of chat with anyone in a professional context.
Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by rayiner on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:15PM (#14623182)
I was a robot club nerd so the concept of locker room talk is foreign to me. But now as a grown up, I can't say that I've ever felt unable to connect with another man because I can't make a sexually aggressive comment about a coworker or mutual acquaintance.
Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by coldtea on Saturday June 24, 2017 @05:56AM (#14625059)
Note that the "sexually aggressive comment" can just refer to a plain "sexual comment" (which changes the whole sentence's meaning).

And it's labelled "aggressive" because of several centuries of hardcore religious puritanism leaving their mark on all aspects of US culture. Sex is naughty. Sex talk is aggressive.

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by twobyfour on Saturday June 24, 2017 @08:16AM (#14625331)
You don't have to be a puritan to think that comments that disrespect others' boundaries ("grab them by the pussy!") are aggressive.
Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by coldtea on Saturday June 24, 2017 @08:39PM (#14628074)
Only we didn't speak specifically about such talk here.

The parent said "There's some value in being able to talk bluntly with other men. And I'm not sure it's much worse than what I observed groups of women talking about".

And this was immediately taken to mean "aggressive sexual comment".

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by graphememes on Saturday June 24, 2017 @07:29AM (#14625236)
Religion strikes again!