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Re:A Language That Linguists Thought Couldn’t Exist by dredmorbius on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @06:17PM (#14599071)
I've been tackling this from a different PoV (see recent comments) of audio bitrate sensing (20 Hz is the beat/tone boundary, where beats become tones, corresponding to about 0.2 MB/day of data acquisition), or of speaking and reading rates.

At 100 words/min spoken speech, humans can transmit about 1.1 MB/day sustained (24 hours without interruption).

At 600 words/min reading rate (a very high rate, roughly double the college-educated adult average), a human can absorb a maximum of less than 7 MB/day.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14599050

Re:A Language That Linguists Thought Couldn’t Exist by stan_rogers on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @06:35PM (#14599165)
If you think that the information transferred by human speech consists only of the words spoken, you have a rather shallow view of language. You're also processing information taken from pace, pitch, timbre, intonation, volume, timing and direction (among other things). The written word is to speech what choreographic notation is to dance - it's enough to give you the gist, but you wouldn't mistake it for the real thing.
Re:A Language That Linguists Thought Couldn’t Exist by dredmorbius on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @02:08AM (#14601155)
You're arguing a claim I didn't make.
Re:A Language That Linguists Thought Couldn’t Exist by pwildani on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @10:16PM (#14600171)
Each beat is probably better considered a symbol, so by your analysis the human audio channel is around 20 baud not 20 bits/s. The symbol size obviously has a large impact on the information bit rate.

We can estimate the size of a symbol though: 13b for primary tones(20khz range at about 3Hz resolution) + 4b for rising/falling/etc tonal patterns + 7b for volume (1dB detection over 120db range) + (42 phonemes in english so round up to 256 for convenience) 8b for phoneme patterns + 2 ears preprocessed for 2d directions is maybe 4b direction and 4b distance gives a total of around 40b per symbol.

So with that wild approximation, it's at 800 bps, or 8.64 MB / 24h

Re:A Language That Linguists Thought Couldn’t Exist by dredmorbius on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @11:21PM (#14600417)
A fair argument, and yes, that expands the channel somewhat.

(My first posts on seeing this concept, elsewhere, had confused bits and bytes, so I ended up with 1.7 MB rather than 0.2 MB.)

But the point remains that that what we're discussing is almost certainly a maximum upper bound on human conscious information processing capacity. And that the values are ... pretty limited, relative to the amounts of information our machines can fling at us.

8.6 MB/day means that on average we're looking at 2/3 of that for waking hours or 5.7 MB. If you spend half your waking hours at work, that's about 2.9 MB of information acquired per day at work, max, over audio track.

And that's the tail-end of a 3.5 billion year R&D effort.