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Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by jlg23 on Monday June 19, 2017 @03:43PM (#14589809)
> Is it typical for a 13mm+ Ulock in Amsterdam to get broken?

Yes. One thing that still works is to get two different high-end locks and to always use both. Most thieves specialize in one lock only. But I'd still not leave a decent bike outside over night.

Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by jdietrich on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:22PM (#14590134)
Here in the UK, savvy bicycle commuters buy an extremely heavy chain [1] and leave it locked up outside their office. Bicycle locks are a compromise because they need to be light enough to carry. If you don't carry your lock, you can use a massive lump of metal.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lDcViM1EKc

Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by jlg23 on Monday June 19, 2017 @08:30PM (#14591415)
Then UK thieves are clueless. The recommended padlocks (SS50C or SS65C) can be picked (search for model + "picked" on youtube) in less than 30 seconds. For bystanders picking the lock looks like you are just too stupid or drunk to use your key.
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by nisse72 on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:07PM (#14589996)
I would imagine that an angle grinder works equally well with all locks regardless of brand.
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by jacquesm on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:19PM (#14590108)
Cold spray and a hammer is faster and much less noisy and does not come with a free pyrotechnics display.
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by oe on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @04:50AM (#14593017)
There's a video where a guy breaks a bicycle lock with a angle grinder, in the middle of the day in a city center. Nobody bats an eye. Breaking the lock doesn't have to subtle.
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by collyw on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:40PM (#14590274)
Does that work? And what do you mean by cold spray exactly? Ralgex?
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by jacquesm on Monday June 19, 2017 @05:07PM (#14590473)
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by honestoHeminway on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @01:56AM (#14592479)
Second to that. Metall becomes brittle at -20. Bing.
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by pikzen on Monday June 19, 2017 @07:36PM (#14591203)
Because clearly, when stealing a bike, you want the entire neighborhood hear you for ten minutes, emitting sparks everywhere, while you had to bring an angle grinder.

You're supposed to be somewhat discreet when doing that, not warning everyone.

Most people's locks can be cut with a strong set of shears. The other ones are usually not worth spending your time on unless it's everything there is. In which case, like @jacquesm said, freezing temperatures are an excellent solution. More of a middle of the night thing though. Shears work 24/7.

Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by tinus_hn on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @04:14AM (#14592907)
I have 'stolen' my own bike after losing the key. It was in bright daylight in plain view with a ton of people walking by. No one said anything.
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by mercer on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:24PM (#14590152)
Yeah I think the main benefit of using two locks is that a thief will just go for an easier option. IIRC similar rules apply to home security. It's not only about deterrence; making your house more of a nuisance than other houses is important too.
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by nisse72 on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:34PM (#14590230)
I agree - you don't need to outrun the bear, you just need to outrun your friend.
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by mcv on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @12:08PM (#14605000)
It does, but it requires power and time, and makes a ton of noise. Most thieves prefer something quick and quiet.
Re:Why is cycling so popular in the Netherlands? by ramy_d on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:30PM (#14590205)
welp, if this entire thread taught me anything, is that I need to lojack (or whatever it's called) my bike.