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Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe... by 1001101 on Monday June 19, 2017 @12:50PM (#14588361)
"You can also see the CPU's registers on this board." That made me LOL a bit. Very interesting architecture.
Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe... by schoen on Monday June 19, 2017 @01:35PM (#14588727)
I've come to understand that many CPUs were not single-chip, well into the integrated circuit era. Today we might assume that a microprocessor will come in a single package, but that wasn't a reasonable assumption in other decades, where the computer designer might even be creating the CPU as well, and not have access to a semiconductor fab.
Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe... by dbcurtis on Monday June 19, 2017 @03:06PM (#14589491)
Are you trying to make me feel old, simply because I once had the 74Fxxx TTL catalog nearly memorized? Or that I can do an instruction decoder and conflict interlock unit in 100K ECL?

Now get off my lawn or I shall be forced to shake my cane at you quite vigorously.

Honestly, those were fun, fun days.

Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe... by kens on Monday June 19, 2017 @03:33PM (#14589723)
It's surprising to me how in the 1970s, if someone needed a processor for something (even a video game or CNC controller), it was normal for them to invent a new instruction set and put together a processor from TTL chips. The barrier to entry was very low.
Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe... by edmccard on Monday June 19, 2017 @07:24PM (#14591165)
>...put together a processor from TTL chips. The barrier to entry was very low.

It was mostly because of the clock speeds, wasn't it? I seem to remember once hearing that below 20 Mhz you could play "TTL Lego" but above that you ran into problems with things like propagation delay.

Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe... by schoen on Monday June 19, 2017 @07:41PM (#14591223)
The stated propagation delay for TTL chips was usually about 10 or 20 nanoseconds (sometimes larger for more complex logical operations, and frequently smaller in subsequent logic generations, like 5 nanoseconds or so). I just checked this in a late 1970s databook.

So, 20 MHz seems pretty credible for a region where you would see problems due to propagation delay—maybe even somewhere below that with the original 7400 series.

That's also a reason that I hadn't thought about so much why putting the whole CPU on a single die would look more and more practical over time: propagation delay in wires!

Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe... by cr0sh on Monday June 19, 2017 @05:23PM (#14590573)
> The barrier to entry was very low.

If you had the money. Those chips weren't cheap back then (even the 74xx branch), and you still needed quite a few to do anything useful when it came to building a CPU.

Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe... by grkvlt on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @06:06PM (#14608376)
Well, there's always the 74181, a 4 bit ALU[0] as used in the Alto[1] among others like the NOVA and VAX 11/780.

0. https://mil.ufl.edu/4712/docs/74LS181.pdf

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/74181#Computers