Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe...
by kens on Monday June 19, 2017 @03:33PM
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It's surprising to me how in the 1970s, if someone needed a processor for something (even a video game or CNC controller), it was normal for them to invent a new instruction set and put together a processor from TTL chips. The barrier to entry was very low.
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Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe...
by edmccard on Monday June 19, 2017 @07:24PM
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>...put together a processor from TTL chips. The barrier to entry was very low.
It was mostly because of the clock speeds, wasn't it? I seem to remember once hearing that below 20 Mhz you could play "TTL Lego" but above that you ran into problems with things like propagation delay.
Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe...
by schoen on Monday June 19, 2017 @07:41PM
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The stated propagation delay for TTL chips was usually about 10 or 20 nanoseconds (sometimes larger for more complex logical operations, and frequently smaller in subsequent logic generations, like 5 nanoseconds or so). I just checked this in a late 1970s databook.
So, 20 MHz seems pretty credible for a region where you would see problems due to propagation delay—maybe even somewhere below that with the original 7400 series.
That's also a reason that I hadn't thought about so much why putting the whole CPU on a single die would look more and more practical over time: propagation delay in wires!
Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe...
by cr0sh on Monday June 19, 2017 @05:23PM
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> The barrier to entry was very low.
If you had the money. Those chips weren't cheap back then (even the 74xx branch), and you still needed quite a few to do anything useful when it came to building a CPU.
Re:One-Hour Mandelbrot: Creating a Fractal on the Vintage Xe...
by grkvlt on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @06:06PM
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Well, there's always the 74181, a 4 bit ALU[0] as used in the Alto[1] among others like the NOVA and VAX 11/780.