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Re:How Not to Die of Botulism (2013) by pmoriarty on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:32PM (#14576799)
What is it about cooked and chilled rice that makes it a leading source of food poisoning?
Re:How Not to Die of Botulism (2013) by morsch on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:43PM (#14576848)
Didn't know either, found this[1]: "Uncooked rice frequently contains bacteria called Bacillus cereus. These bacteria can form protective spores that survive the cooking process. If cooled slowly, these spores can germinate, grow and produce an emetic (vomit inducing) toxin. Reheating rice before serving will not inactivate the emetic toxin or kill all the bacterial cells, so the rice may not be safe."

The more you know. The suggestion is to cool it down as fast as possible and put it in the fridge. NHS says the "symptoms are relatively mild and usually last about 24 hours", so it seems unlikely that it's gonna kill you (IANA doctor).

[1] http://www.foodsafety.govt.nz/elibrary/industry/safe_cooling...

[2] http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/can-reheating-rice-cause-food-po...

Re:How Not to Die of Botulism (2013) by stellar678 on Saturday June 17, 2017 @06:41PM (#14578055)
This always struck me as weird because of how many people I know who cook a giant pot of rice in a rice cooker and just leave it on the counter as they eat the rice over a couple days. Never knew it to cause vomiting.
Re:How Not to Die of Botulism (2013) by morsch on Saturday June 17, 2017 @07:33PM (#14578194)
That's a good point and made me do some more research. The range at which B. cereus grows ends at around 50C -- the exact figure varies depending on the source. Generally, 65C seems to be considered safe. The "warm" mode of (some? check your manual) rice cookers is designed specifically to target that temperature range to avoid contamination[2][3].

[1] Gilbert RJ, Stringer MF, Peace TC. The survival and growth of Bacillus cereus in boiled and fried rice in relation to outbreaks of food poisoning. The Journal of Hygiene. 1974;73(3):433-444. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130471/ Possibly the "seminal paper" when it comes to rice and B. cereus?

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_cooker#History

[3] Manual for some random rice cooker on Amazon: "In Keep warm status, it will reheat to maintain the temperature at 73C" http://img1.midea.com/my/Local_Library/info_instructions/ins...

Re:How Not to Die of Botulism (2013) by hueving on Saturday June 17, 2017 @03:31PM (#14577360)
I can't find it now, but I remember reading a stat about far more sushi restaurants in the US getting fined by health inspectors due to improper rice temperature handling rather than fish handling as I had intuitively expected.

The fish is easy, just keep it cold. The rice, not so simple. :)

Re:How Not to Die of Botulism (2013) by notadoc on Saturday June 17, 2017 @04:14PM (#14577531)
Wow crazy.
Re:How Not to Die of Botulism (2013) by DanBC on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:43PM (#14576846)
http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/can-reheating-rice-cause-food-po...

> Yes, you can get food poisoning from eating reheated rice. However, it's not the reheating that causes the problem, but the way the rice has been stored before it is reheated.

> How does reheated rice cause food poisoning?

> Uncooked rice can contain spores of Bacillus cereus, a bacterium that can cause food poisoning. The spores can survive when rice is cooked.

> If rice is left standing at room temperature, the spores can grow into bacteria. These bacteria will multiply and may produce toxins (poisons) that cause vomiting or diarrhoea.

> The longer cooked rice is left at room temperature, the more likely it is that the bacteria or toxins could make the rice unsafe to eat.

Reheating the rice will kill the bacteria, but will not remove the toxin. It also puts the rice at bacteria breeding temperature again.

Re:How Not to Die of Botulism (2013) by vilhelm_s on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:56PM (#14576899)
According to this Lifehacker article (http://skillet.lifehacker.com/leftover-rice-could-make-you-v...)

> According to food scientist Donald Schaffner of Rutgers University, some restaurants “cook up a large batch of rice, hold it at room temperature all day,” and then take portions from the batch as needed. “Because Bacillus makes a heat stable toxin,” he explained “this is not a best practice, and has led to outbreaks in the past.”

That doesn't sound like something you would do in home cooking, so if the large number of food poisoning cases come from restaurants doing that, they may not be a good guide to the "absolute" danger from rice.

Re:How Not to Die of Botulism (2013) by learc83 on Saturday June 17, 2017 @03:12PM (#14577273)
Lots of outbreaks come from home cooks making a big batch of rice and then saving a portion to make fried rice the next day.

If it's a large portion of rice, and you don't spread it out to allow it to cool, the temperature of the rice will stay in the danger zone for hours--even in a refrigerator.

Re:How Not to Die of Botulism (2013) by eoinof on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:51PM (#14576881)
It's also related the surface area of grains of cooked rice. http://www.bbc.com/food/rice