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Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by grondilu on Friday June 16, 2017 @01:36PM (#14571001)
> Love, in many ways, is completely irrational

At least I know what love is. So when someone does something foolish for love, I understand.

But when someone tells me he wants to spend billions to live in a small box on a cold, airless desert planet constantly bombarded by lethal radiations, and when he justifies that by "that's mars, and that's the only justification I need", I tend to think that's quite an other level of irrationality.

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by sillysaurus3 on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:06PM (#14571285)
Most of us already live in a small box in a cold desert. It's just cold in a different way.

I'm not sure Mars will turn out differently. But in the early days, the people will be unique. And that's worth experiencing, even if it's for a short while.

When you're in a situation where you could die tomorrow, and you're with other people who signed up knowing those risks, it's different than almost any other experience available to humans.

Yes, it's a form of craziness. But a dose of crazy can sometimes work out in rather interesting ways.

Or it won't. But there are worse ways to light billions on fire.

People have been writing stories about Mars for a long time. Isn't it worth a few billion dollars and a few million lives to bring those stories to life?

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by babyrainbow on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:15PM (#14571377)
> Isn't it worth a few billion dollars and a few million lives to bring those stories to life?..

Do you really mean this, I mean, I don't even....

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by sillysaurus3 on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:24PM (#14571473)
You bet. What are our lives worth? I think spawning a new world is a fine use.

Also, that "lives" figure is counting the descendants of the people that eventually make a life for themselves on Mars. Those descendants won't get a choice, and one could argue it's unethical to put them in that position. So any analysis of how many lives Mars is worth must take this into account. And if it's anywhere near successful, a few million lives is at the low end.

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by irrational on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:49PM (#14571681)
Yeah, I'm still pissed that my ancestors left England for the Americas in the 1600s. I didn't get any say in the matter and it was totally unethical of them to put me in this position. So selfish. Sad.
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by babyrainbow on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:55PM (#14571729)
Did you also count the amount of lives that could be saved here on earth for the same amount of money.

What about their descendants? (by the way, who has a much better chance of surviving here on earth than in the fragile conditions in what ever planet)...

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by ceejayoz on Friday June 16, 2017 @04:15PM (#14572310)
If you're going for raw cost/benefit, there's a good argument to be made for the cost/benefit ratio of being a multi-planet species safe from planet-killing asteroids etc.
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by simonh on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:49PM (#14571677)
Then don't. But look at human history and you'll find endless examples of people risking everything for causes they believed in. How much is making a real dent in the universe, and being on a list of names that will be revered as long as human records survive worth?
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by babyrainbow on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:53PM (#14571706)
> people risking everything for causes they believed in..

And often have been taken advantage of....Just saying...

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by irrational on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:47PM (#14571654)
Everyone is going to die, but few will be remembered. Those who first go to Mars will be remembered long after their deaths. Whether they are remembered as being crazy or colonizers, they will be remembered. For many that is enough.
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by huxley on Friday June 16, 2017 @04:26PM (#14572391)
Most people have trouble naming more than 3 Apollo astronauts, I wouldn't hold out much hope for living in people's memories.
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by irrational on Saturday June 17, 2017 @02:49AM (#14574640)
I'm thinking more of history books or Wikipedia type of remembering.
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by grondilu on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:58PM (#14571754)
Again, we're not talking about going to mars for the sake of it, like someone climbing the Everest because nobody has ever done it.

There's even a saying : "nobody remembers the second person who climbed the Everest".

We're talking about colonization, not Everest-like conquest. Most colonizers will be anonymous. Whatever goals they'll have, fame will not be one of them.

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by irrational on Saturday June 17, 2017 @02:52AM (#14574643)
I'm not even sure who the first person was, but I bet Wikipedia can tell me their names. That's the kind of remembering I'm thinking of.