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Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by mikeash on Thursday June 15, 2017 @09:12AM (#14560025)
I'm puzzled by this idea that social norms were "safe by default" until social media came along. It's certainly not my experience. When some high-profile event happens in the area, people check in and worry if they don't hear from you. It's been like this since long before Facebook was a thing.

This looks like yet another case of nerds assuming the entire world thinks and acts like we do. Yes, worrying about someone just because they live in the same major city as a disaster that affects a couple hundred people is irrational. Yes, your adds of being killed by a bus while crossing the street are far greater. Yes, just about any event which makes the news is unlikely by definition. No, none of this actually influences how normal people think and act.

Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by willvarfar on Thursday June 15, 2017 @09:20AM (#14560089)
It Britain, the default is "no news is good news", which is a proverb meaning "without information to the contrary you can assume that all is well".
Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by mikeash on Thursday June 15, 2017 @10:16AM (#14560580)
I hear that phrase a lot, but is that how it actually works when things like this happen, or is it just what people say?
Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by Crespyl on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:06AM (#14561060)
I think when things like this happen, it usually falls under the category of "bad news is bad news" and people will want to reach out to friends/loved ones who may have been affected.

If my friend is going overseas for a month (and there aren't any terror attacks or plane crashes or whatever), I will probably assume they're doing just fine, haven't been mugged or gotten lost in the woods or anything unless I specifically hear otherwise.

Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by mikeash on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:29AM (#14561292)
Well put. "No news is good news" is predicated on no news. If nothing noteworthy happens then most people are fine with assuming you're doing fine until and unless they hear otherwise. But if some disaster (even a localized one) happens in the area where they know you are, that doesn't apply anymore.
Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by willvarfar on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:53PM (#14562092)
That interpretation is actually at odds with my experience and how others have described it to me. I recall my mum describing the fear of receiving a telegram during the war. People would assure themselves nothing had happened to loved ones fighting because they had received no news. And when I myself was in London I think it was 7 7 bombings my family again assumed I wasn't caught up in it because they received no visit from the police. I didn't call until a long time after, despite evacuating the tube one stop from one of the bombs or something. Mind is fuzzy. Anyway, I think that is how the stiff upper lip stoic Brits are. Or were. Perhaps the modern generation are good for nothing self absorbed hugging kinds? Too much Anerican influence perhaps ;)
Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by IanCal on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:30AM (#14561302)
While it'll obviously depend on the people, this is what my parents basically said to me when I spoke to them a bit after the bombing in Manchester.

I probably wasn't involved, and they'd have heard if I was.

Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by mmirate on Thursday June 15, 2017 @02:45PM (#14563202)
> No, none of this actually influences how normal people think and act.

Well that's bloody stupid and innumerate of them. Surely, enabling such vices can't be good in the long-term.

... and how, again, are these people able to acquire positions of power such that we still have to care-about/interact-with them?

Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by mikeash on Thursday June 15, 2017 @03:03PM (#14563392)
Turns out that having a solid logical understanding of the risks of accidental death is more or less uncorrelated with having the sort of people skills which allow a person to attain positions of power.
Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by mmirate on Thursday June 15, 2017 @03:54PM (#14563839)
But this points to not a specific misunderstanding of accidental death, but to a general inability to comprehend/apply statistics, which includes things such as cost/benefit analyses.
Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by mikeash on Thursday June 15, 2017 @05:47PM (#14564673)
It's fascinating to see nerds weird out over people's inability to comprehend basic probability and statistics (which the human brain is innately bad at) while displaying a complete inability to understand other people (which the human brain is innately great at). And yes, I do it too sometimes.

Stop arguing about why the average person, or even the average powerful person, ought to have an excellent understanding of these things, and start exploring why they don't. You'll come out of it more informed.