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Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by btown on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:53AM (#14557996)
I have to disagree. "Not safe" became the default as soon as the concept of social media hit; if there's the slightest chance you may have been affected by an incident, anyone who would check your social postings to see if there was any "word from you" would assume the worst in the absence of such a posting. The human mind is evolved for both empathy and "what-if" scenarios, but not for probability; it will snap to "what if my loved one was in that apartment because they were in the country" rather than "it is highly improbable." Given that, Safety Check actually dampens those emotions on a societal scale, by making it easier and more natural for each potentially-endangered poster to assuage the fears of people in their circles.
Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by jdietrich on Thursday June 15, 2017 @01:19AM (#14558076)
Safety Check wasn't a carefully planned and considered effort by Facebook, it was a hackathon project that went into production. There are many other ways that Facebook could have responded to that issue. Given the size, influence and profitability of Facebook, Safety Check seems extraordinarily half-assed.

I'm not in any way convinced that Safety Check does actually dampen fear. It provides information of very poor quality ("not marked as safe" or "safe") in a very poorly targeted way, without any kind of meaningful context. That kind of uncertainty is rarely reassuring.

If Facebook took the issue seriously, they could easily address many of these shortcomings. They could provide this kind of information in a relevant and contextual way, counteracting the cognitive biases that lead us to worry. They could deeply examine how social media can stoke fears and engineer reassurance into the fabric of their network, rather than bolting on a crude alert system that was hacked together in a weekend. I doubt that they will, because fear and misinformation is clearly very profitable for them in all sorts of ways.

I'm reminded of the AMBER Alert system - a well-meaning but highly ineffectual response that has greatly contributed to the climate of fear.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0887403407302332 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0734016808316778

Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by tzakrajs on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:01AM (#14561014)
It's almost like the person finder Google made, except it pushes itself on you in an attempt to drive engagement.
Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by jfoutz on Thursday June 15, 2017 @01:19AM (#14558073)
That's not an unreasonable stance. I lean the other way. I think, that there is an opportunity, if not a requirement, for fine grained tuning. FB knows a lot about it's users, and can do a better job of predicting who needs the i'm safe button.

Clearly there's a geographic component. Someone in the area, around the time, or in the area regularly. There's probably a fancy combination of, how bad the event was, how widely the event was reported, how close you are to friends, are you traveling to the area, and a bunch of other factors.

Clearly they can handle it dynamically. If you get the "are you ok?" messages, they can add you to likely events, and offer the i'm safe. They can make it easy to add yourself to a disaster event.

There are a lot of people in London. They have the social graph, coupled with location and messaging data. They can do a better job at targeting.

Again, i respect your opinion, but your needs, and my needs are different. I think they can do a better job at meeting both of our needs.

Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by matt4077 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @01:55AM (#14558199)
Part of the problem is that peoples' worries depend not on what Facebook knows, but what those people know:

I, for example, know several people in London, but have no idea where in London exactly they life. Now I didn't actually worry because that just didn't make sense considering the numbers involved, but it seems like a very understandable, human mistake to still get alarmed.

That could mean displaying people safe without their input, based on location data. But that wouldn't have an impact on the problems the author is concerned about.

I think it's essentially a good feature, but this incident may just not have been a good fit.

Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by aaron-lebo on Thursday June 15, 2017 @02:24AM (#14558311)
The odds of any given event impacting someone you know is so small as to be incomprehensible. Do you get worried because you heard there was a shooting in a city and it might have included your friends? You probably don't, and before Facebook you wouldn't have given it a second thought. Your friends are more likely to get hit by a car or have a heart attack and you and Facebook would never know and that's ok. Those are the odds and we don't always have to be connected.

Yeah, it's a human mistake, but technology should be moving people away from animalistic fears and desires, not pushing them towards it. The easier thing to do would be to realize those odds and realize you can't control these things instead of relying on a social network as a crutch.

That may be cynical, but Facebook isn't doing this because they care about you, they're doing it because it's yet another way to get people attached so Facebook can make advertising dollars. That's cynical.

Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by tluyben2 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @03:10AM (#14558481)
My grandfather has always (my mother has identical stories from when she was young) been deadly afraid when, on tv or newspaper, a city or even country was named and I was there. Like when I was in Seattle and in the news there was some big fire somewhere in the US, he would panic and start calling my mother.
Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by Sephiroth87 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @05:53AM (#14559034)
My partner still get worried calls from her parents any time there ANY accident going on in the UK, and we live in London, so you might be underestimating the impulse of people worrying about their loved ones...
Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by jamesrcole on Thursday June 15, 2017 @06:50AM (#14559232)
> technology should be moving people away from animalistic fears and desires, not pushing them towards it.

Do you have a suggestion for how that could be practically done?

> The easier thing to do would be to realize those odds and realize you can't control these things instead of relying on a social network as a crutch.

Easier? What the easy way you're suggesting for changing these attitudes and beliefs among the general population?

Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by wutbrodo on Thursday June 15, 2017 @02:20AM (#14558291)
> I have to disagree. "Not safe" became the default as soon as the concept of social media hit;

FWIW, this wasn't the case in my (very large) extended family my entire childhood. Depending on how widespread coverage of the event was, a family member get calls or texts asking if I was okay whenever something dangerous happened

Re:Facebook’s Safety Check is a stress-inducing flip of soci... by ryandrake on Thursday June 15, 2017 @10:05AM (#14560477)
Not for everyone. Maybe "not safe" became the default for some social media users. If so, I feel sorry for you guys. Always needing to check in to assure your friends and family you're not dead seems like a chore with little upside. I can't imagine that that's actually true.

For those of us who do not use social media [yep, looks like I have to be "that guy" today], it's in no way the default. I can tell you that if people I know don't hear from me over social media, they are not going to bat an eye, because it is normal not to hear from me over social media.

It's an interesting question though: Does frequent use of something like Facebook lead to an expectation of future frequent use of it from your peers? I'm not sure if that's true. Try it as an experiment. Don't log into social media for 3 months. See how many "friends" actually try to contact you through some other means to check if you're OK. My guess is that fewer than you think will. I know when I jumped ship on social media, I just stopped logging in without telling anyone, and exactly zero people panicked. They just started E-mailing me when they had something to say.