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Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by openasocket on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @09:35PM (#14557318)
OK, so I know this is going to come up in the comments, but this is not remotely a baseless allegation. The Lazarus group (one of the names for the DPRK-associated APT group) is somewhat well known and is quite sophisticated. This is the same group that hacked Sony a few years back. And to preempt people who are going to chime in with "Sony was just some insider leaking data" there is extensive evidence showing it was the work of a previously unidentified APT group. See here: https://www.operationblockbuster.com/wp-content/uploads/2016...

I can't comment about specifics linking WannaCry to the Lazarus group, but that seems to be the consensus in the security community.

DISCLAIMER: I worked with the people who wrote that report

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by cottsak on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @09:43PM (#14557357)
It's not been fully confirmed/established that Lazarus group == DPRK: see "false flag" from Kaspersky researchers https://www.wired.com/2017/05/wannacry-ransomware-link-suspe...
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by meowface on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:16PM (#14557478)
>In its blog post, Kaspersky acknowledged that the repetition of the code could be a "false flag" meant to mislead investigators and pin the attack on North Korea. After all, the WannaCry authors cribbed techniques from the NSA as well. The ransomware leverages an NSA exploit known as EternalBlue that a hacker group known as Shadow Brokers made public last month.

>Kaspersky called that false flag scenario "possible" but "improbable."

This is more a standard disclaimer of any intelligence analyst than a serious qualification in this case. When trying to attribute something that allows easy copycats, an investigator will obviously constantly be thinking "is this clue genuine or intentionally placed to suggest a different origin"? And without an incredible amount of evidence, it's hard to definitively say certain malware or tools were written or used by a particular entity.

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by mc32 on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @09:58PM (#14557419)
Yeah, I don't know. People tend to believe the narrative story they want to believe. When someone claims "the Russians" hacked the DNC and other operatives, there is very little "false flag" ("how do you know it really was the Russians?") claims (and for good reason), but when something does not fit their belief systems then it's "oh, false flag" despite reputable researchers putting their reputation on the line.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by losteric on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @11:58PM (#14557850)
It's about broader context, or a lack thereof.

The DNC hack is self-consistent and aligned with known motives of suspected actors, so the public sees a false flag as possible but improbable. WannaCry came seemingly out of nowhere using a mixed bag of tricks from unfamiliar actors... absent context, the public will entertain any explanation.

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by mc32 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:32AM (#14557947)
That's a logical and plausible explanation for rational thinkers --I don't think I'm going out on a limb saying if it fit people's narrative preference, they'd say that "it fit too well", how can the Russians, so capable, leave so obvious trails, it must have been the Ukranians (or some other realistically unlikely but fitting a narrative).

The N Korea thing was the same even under Obama (the Sony hack) people wanted to believe the US was just trying to make the N Koreans "look bad" or create excuses for something (as if N KOrea needed any help in that regard).

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by openasocket on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @09:47PM (#14557374)
In that link they only raise doubts about Lazarus being behind WannaCry, not Lazarus being associated with the DPRK. And the Kapersky researchers' quote says that this being a false flag is "possible" but "improbable"
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by cottsak on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @09:51PM (#14557389)
Agreed, confirming that there is no public evidence which hard links Lazarus to DPRK. Just want everyone to know the facts.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by mirimir on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:17AM (#14557914)
People are discounting, I think, the lulz factor in pretending to be working for NK. Just sayin'.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by openasocket on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:16PM (#14557479)
What would a "hard link" be? A signed confession from the head of the DPRK military? Under the circumstances, barring classified intelligence (like the NSA may have), we are as sure as we can be.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by quakeguy on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:33PM (#14557536)
So we are unsure.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by openasocket on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:48PM (#14557576)
Out of curiosity, what evidence would convince you?
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by Sacho on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:57AM (#14558006)
I don't know - isn't this an issue with the erosion of trust towards the administration and "domain experts", something they can only blame themselves for?

More importantly, why do you want people to be convinced of this? What difference does it make? If it is used as some sort of justification for (more?) economic sanctions or an attack, then I don't think any realistic hacking attempt is going to be enough. If you just want this attributed to NK, what is the point? If people don't know enough about the situation to be sure, and they have no trust in any authority on the subject, then the way forward would be for an authority to build up trust with those people and then claim it is attributed to NK.

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by boomboomsubban on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:16AM (#14557911)
Absolute certainty that this would not be used as an excuse to launch military attacks would be a start.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by tracked24x7 on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @11:45PM (#14557803)
Collin Powell got quite a lot of tonnage I mean mileage out of a cartoon drawing. Just draw him a picture.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by mirimir on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:21AM (#14557923)
Who is "we" here? There are many levels of bullshit between knowledgeable folk at NSA and me. Far too many for me to be sure of anything.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by mythrwy on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:38PM (#14557551)
I don't see false flag being reasonable in this case.

The public sentiment gains from drumming up a case against NK aren't measurably enhanced by this enough to justify the effort. I wouldn't think. But one never knows.

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @09:38PM (#14557335)
Re: Sony Hack

I heard that the DPRK was definitely involved, but that they involved themselves at a later point in the publicity over the attack, and that it the original attack was initiated by disparate individuals only loosely cooperating.

Not to disparage your points on the Lazarus group. I've heard the same about their sophistication. I know next to nothing about the WannaCry attack besides the tragedy of the NHS succumbing to it.

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by meowface on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:17PM (#14557481)
Who do you believe conducted the original attack?
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by 52-6F-62 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:28AM (#14557939)
Oh I don't know. It's only hearsay. But when it comes to hacks of this scale that initiated with spearfishing, I think a reasonable assumption is bored children... or man-children.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by jorblumesea on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @09:54PM (#14557400)
It also makes some practical sense, as NK regime has little in the way of hard foreign currency and bitcoins would be a great source of untraceable unsactionable income. Their previous adventures in illegal activities (counterfeit bills, meth, prostitution and slave labor) show they are not above deviousness to achieve stable income for the Kim state.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by tyingq on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:13PM (#14557469)
Not sure ~$150k in Bitcoin is that interesting to the DPRK.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by losteric on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:04AM (#14557870)
They would have earned at least an order of magnitude more if the WannaCry killswitch hadn't been discovered.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by tyingq on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:10AM (#14557893)
Is ~$10M that interesting to a nation state, even a cash strapped one though? This is almost certainly not about the money.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by jpatokal on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:42AM (#14557966)
This is a country whose diplomats sell bootleg liquor and use diplomatic pouches to smuggle crystal meth, so, yes:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/11...

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by gjjrfcbugxbhf on Thursday June 15, 2017 @02:15AM (#14558274)
There is a difference between a nation state its officials...
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by captainmuon on Thursday June 15, 2017 @02:13AM (#14558269)
Why not? It just has to be more than they invested in this attack.

It's not going to single-handedly pull the country out of recession, but it is probably the best utilisation of those computer-skilled individuals who developed it.

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by dx034 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @07:09AM (#14559289)
It is. They probably hoped for much more but sanctions by nearly all states in the world mean that North Korea desperately needs FX reserves. For a state where very few people have access to material that US$ can buy, a few hundred k$ can be a lot of money.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by DaiPlusPlus on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @09:55PM (#14557404)
Supposing North Korea has Bitcoins... how could they sell them in a way that grants them usable currency?
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by jorblumesea on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @09:58PM (#14557420)
The same way N. Korea does everything overseas, foreign agents and "diplomats" that act couriers. China would be the obvious conduit as bitcoin is widely accepted there.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by adventured on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @09:59PM (#14557421)
North Korea has the world's #2 and #3 economies next door, and both increasingly like Bitcoin. China has a significant appetite for Bitcoins, even more so with the capital controls now in place. That's a pretty easy black market trade.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by mc32 on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:11PM (#14557463)
I'd venture to say #3 has no love lost for N Korea so highly doubt #3 would look kindly at aiding and abetting N Korea. #2 is rather frustrated with the DPRK regime and have tightened commerce with the regime.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by oh_sigh on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:13PM (#14557470)
Sell them on one of the Chinese exchanges for yuan and physically carry it over the border to NK.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by openasocket on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:18PM (#14557485)
Hell, you don't even need to carry it over: anything you want to use the money to purchase is going to be in China anyway.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by ryanlol on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:04PM (#14557441)
It's trivial to exchange Bitcoins anonymously to cash almost anywhere in the world.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by DaiPlusPlus on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:07AM (#14557882)
By cash do you mean physical money, like coins and notes, or liquid amounts in a bank account? The problem is physhcal money is not a good way to move large amounts around, and most bank accounts have a great deal of oversight.

No-one cares about $75 being used to buy heroin on The Silk Road, but people will notice $75,000,000 being moved - and Bitcoin is not anonymous either, merely psuedonominous.

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by discordance on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @11:45PM (#14557801)
Not in volumes that count
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by dx034 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @07:10AM (#14559294)
$100k over a few weeks and exchanges shouldn't be too noticeable. Especially if you use personnel from several embassies.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by ryanlol on Thursday June 15, 2017 @02:09PM (#14562838)
$100k in a single trade would not be noticeable.

I'd go with more like $10M over a few weeks.

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by nthcolumn on Thursday June 15, 2017 @04:54PM (#14564277)
So this 'quite sophisticated' group suddenly became completely inept. Who the hell do NSA take us for? There are no specifics just copypasta and diversion. Oh yeah this thread is full of it. Consensus! BS more like. pure, unadulterated, prairie fresh by the shit-ton.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by matank on Thursday June 15, 2017 @01:28AM (#14558095)
I am curious about how big these groups are? 10-100-1000 people? Seems like a lot of stuff has to come together for a "win". It's hard to imagine experts sitting around the whole day finding this motivating work.
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Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by gjjrfcbugxbhf on Thursday June 15, 2017 @07:58AM (#14559511)
The op made a bunch of assertions provided a reference which refuted one of her assertions and then appealed to authority...
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by sctb on Thursday June 15, 2017 @09:07PM (#14565837)
The guidelines that ask us to comment civilly always apply, no matter what you're replying to.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by gjjrfcbugxbhf on Friday June 16, 2017 @01:01AM (#14566788)
Both posts were civil. I guess we'll have to put it down to cultural differences.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by sctb on Friday June 16, 2017 @12:29PM (#14570322)
Snarky dismissals are not considered civil here.
Re:The NSA has linked the WannaCry computer worm to North Korea by gjjrfcbugxbhf on Saturday June 17, 2017 @05:42AM (#14575059)
Please re read your post considering your tone and level of snark. I had actually flagged it on this basis. But i guess as you are a moderator this won't have done anything.