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Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by macspoofing on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:04PM (#14499497)
>The problem is that there's a culture where sexual harassment isn't taken seriously

Is there? I've seen people claim this but I haven't seen any evidence for it. I know Susan Fowler's account is used frequently as basis for that statement and though I don't doubt her sincerity and truthfulness, you can't just extrapolate her experience to the entire (global) company.

Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by _dark_matter_ on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:13PM (#14499591)
I mean... a quick google search will get you there.

[0] Travis calls Uber "Boob-er" because it helps him (and other execs) pick up women

[1] Sexual Harassment + Heavy drug use at the global all-hands

[2] Company group, including CEO, visits escort bar in Seoul

[3] More "survivor" stories

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[0] http://www.gq.com/story/uber-cab-confessions?currentPage=1

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/technology/uber-workplace...

[2] http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/27/uber-employees-visit-karaoke-...

[3] https://medium.com/@amyvertino/my-name-is-not-amy-i-am-an-ub...

Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by mikeyouse on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:12PM (#14499576)
> Is there? I've seen people claim this but I haven't seen any evidence for it.

As another point of evidence, they just fired 20 people for sexual harassment to address 215 separate claims before the separate outside report into the amount of sexual harassment in their company. Maybe they don't deserve your skepticism.

Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by pfarnsworth on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @03:59PM (#14500748)
It wasn't just for sexual harrassment. It was for an conduct that they deemed inappropriate, like bullying, harrassment, etc.
Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by mavelikara on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:10PM (#14499563)
You stated: I haven't seen any evidence for it.

In the very next sentence you offer one such evidence, and then go on to discredit it with you can't just extrapolate.

Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by travmatt on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:48PM (#14499964)
The mental gymnastics of motivated reasoning is a wonder to behold.
Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by macspoofing on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @03:18PM (#14500285)
>In the very next sentence you offer one such evidence, and then go on to discredit it with you can't just extrapolate.

Right. Because in the first case we're talking about a systemic problem applying to a global company of 12,000 possibly spanning all levels of management as well as its polices and mandates. In the second case we're talking about a person's singular experience - which I've never disputed. The former is a much stronger statement than the latter so you cannot use the latter to prove the former.

Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by stale2002 on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @03:36PM (#14500482)
Were you really not aware of Uber's work culture issues?

Uber's problems with work culture and hostility to women has been an open secret for years. I remember hearing rumors about it since 2014 at least.

None of the recent allegations are surprising to anybody at all who has been aware of what it is like to work there.

Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by ThrustVectoring on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:25PM (#14499715)
In a culture where sexual harassment is taken seriously, the firings happen one-at-a-time as things get reported. It doesn't fester until the media spotlight shines on the company's cultural problems, then result in an investigation as to why things got so bad.
Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by bogomipz on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @02:35PM (#14499825)
>"Is there? I've seen people claim this but I haven't seen any evidence for it."

Can you explain why you feel that 20 people being fired as a result of a company-wide investigation into to sexual harassment doesn't constitute evidence of a problem?

Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by macspoofing on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @03:21PM (#14500320)
Because it's 20 people out 12,000 and I (we) have no idea what it is they were fired for exactly. We don't know the context, the exact infraction, and how it was dealt with initially. I can't even tell if that rate is high, average or low when compared with any other company of similar size who would create a special sexual-harassment probe to investigate itself.
Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by bogomipz on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @04:14PM (#14500881)
>"Because it's 20 people out 12,000"

What are you suggesting by this, that there is an acceptable margin for unacceptable behavior?

>We don't know the context, the exact infraction, and how it was dealt with initially."

We do know the context, the context was an investigation into sexual harassment conducted by an outside law firm.

We know that 31 people are in counseling/training and another 7 were given warning as a result of the investigation. So by comparison the incidents with these 20 were determined to be serious enough that they warranted termination instead of counseling or a warning.

>I can't even tell if that rate is high, average or low when compared with any other company of similar size who would create a special sexual-harassment probe to investigate itself."

I think the fact that 58 people (20 + 31 + 7) needing to be addressed retroactively instead of proactively at the time of the complaint is a pretty good indication there might be a large problem.

Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by walshemj on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @04:37PM (#14501080)
> 20 out of only 12,000 is a huge number
Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by aokyler on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @10:55PM (#14503371)
12000/20 = 0.001666

.17% is not a huge number.

Re:Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe by walshemj on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @09:05AM (#14506027)
I suspect that 12k is ubrs world wide FTE these firings are coming from the head office in CA so its actualy a higher %

And in IR 20 serious cases warenting firing Is a lot (I do have hears of dealing with serious cases) I would expect given 20 firings there will be a lot more who are allowed to leave with compromise agreements.