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Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by azernik on Thursday June 01, 2017 @07:53PM (#14466156)
1. Poor countries are allowed to increase their carbon emissions because their current emissions are already low per person, and requiring then to lower emissions would basically be telling then they're not allowed to become developed countries. They will not sign on.

2. We're paying poor countries to mitigate these effects, by subsidizing their use of cleaner energy to industrialize. And to compensate them, since the areas most negatively affected by climate change are also poor.

3. The United States is not, in fact, particularly generous about foreign aid.

4. The Paris Agreement is intended to be a start - the reductions are so small in part to win over right-wing Americans, who in turn have the audacity to turn around and blast this agreement for not being effective enough.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by dkhenry on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:14PM (#14466310)
1. I don't think global warming cares who emits the carbon. If climate change is really as big and life changing an issue as everyone knows it is they will sign on, there is no reason to sign away the livelihoods of Americans to benefit China, what happens when you do that is those people whose jobs you have just ended do in fact have opinions and votes.

2. We are subsidizing them with no benefit to us at all, and in turn we are also giving them the ability to outperform us in manufacturing the capability to create clean energy, if you want to help them use clean energy mandate that it comes from local companies. No one will like someone else showing up with bags full of sovereign wealth and tipping the scales. These countries per capita might be poorer, but from a global markets level they are right on par with their American counterparts.

3. Debate? We are by far the largest foreign aid donor.

4. The Paris Agreement was signed by the President without the consent of congress, partially because it didn't win over right-wing Americans.

At some point we need to be adults about this and do something, the country is not supposed to be run as a Dictatorship by either party, all its doing is slowly killing everyone

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by ryanobjc on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:32PM (#14466423)
2. I'm pretty sure not having oceanic level rise, and drowning out the most expensive real state in the world is a benefit to us! The notion that somehow the developed world gives $100b (over what time frame? That matters a lot) and gets nothing in return is ridiculous. Manufacturing clean energy stuff is not within grasp of most developing countries. So they have to import tools, expertise and goods... from where?

3. The US gave $31b in foreign aid. Which sounds generous, until you do it per capita. In which case the US slips way off. The closest economic comparison would probably be the EU which gave $87b away. I, like many, consider charitable giving and aid a sign of strength, not a reason to whine about how unfair life is when you're the richest.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by dkhenry on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:58PM (#14466574)
2. They are not importing tools and expertise, they are have the tools and expertise and they are not only deploying it locally they are exporting it to America. If you want to see some a benefit then write the mandate that American companies must be used to provide the clean energy capabilities to the developing countries. Not only would that be rejected it would be a bad idea for many reasons, but the opposite is deemed to be OK.

3. Even per capita we are 21st in the world, not bad especially when you consider that as that number gets bigger the return you get on it diminishes.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by cerebellum42 on Friday June 02, 2017 @05:48AM (#14468705)
Re. 2: Most of the aid funds are actually transferred in the form of subsidies to deals with companies from the "giving" country. For example, India is massively expanding its solar energy capacities. This is happening partly as a deal with German companies and the German government, which subsidizes the whole trade. That way India gets cheap solar energy infrastructure and Germany supports its solar energy industry.

I honestly don't know if this is happening in the same way with American companies, but to be honest, if it's not that would make me want to take a hard look at the reasons for it. Lack of effort from the government to make those deals, or inability to make attractive deals - which would be a rather worrying indicator of the american industry's health.

By completely exiting, Trump is effectively leaving the field of renewable energies to other countries. By relying more on burning fossil fuels for energy he can definitely give America a short term boost by preventing energy costs from rising further, but he might also cripple its renewable energy industry - which employs more US citizens than Oil, Coal and Gas combined.

Trump wouldn't have had to exit the agreement to do what he wants by the way - the agreement does not have any penalties for not fulfilling it, and it allows every country to adjust its own goals in the agreement, without asking anyone else for permission.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by digitalzombie on Thursday June 01, 2017 @11:19PM (#14467187)
> they are have the tools and expertise and they are not only deploying it locally they are exporting it to America

What countries are you talking about? What mythical poor countries have tools and expertise and what not? And to compete with us against what?

We've moved to a global economy and basically doing what wealth of nation stated, we have specialize in things we do best while other countries specialize on their own thing. If Swiss and Japan wants to make awesome watch go for it. If labor is cheaper in China then okay. But they can't and have not taken higher end skill set. You just can't export those.

And you just side step the world being screw to concentrate on our country. But at the same time OP addresses that with saving our coastal property.

The mega cities that make a boat load of GDP is Los Angeles and NY which will be screwed with the rising sea water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by greglindahl on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:51PM (#14466844)
3. Yeah, why on earth would a super-rich country be expected to be near the top? We agreed to a 0.7% target for aid, and we've been failing to meet it.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by tclancy on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:52PM (#14466845)
>Even per capita we are 21st in the world, not bad

But not exceptional. Certainly not worth complaining about either.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by azernik on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:49PM (#14466520)
With regards to 1), that isn't about global warming caring; that's about people caring. The current international system will not back a plan that prolongs the very low living standards that around half the world lives in. For example, ain't no way that India would sign a treaty agreeing to remain pre-industrial indefinitely.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by Paradigma11 on Friday June 02, 2017 @04:35AM (#14468407)
But wouldnt you agree that a per capita limit is the way to go.

If not would you give Luxembourg the same carbon emission allowance as india?

I dont think keeping developing countries down by limiting their per capita to a much lower standard will fly in this century.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by rtx on Friday June 02, 2017 @05:18AM (#14468579)
As an Indian, I am with Trump with this one. Per capita consumption would be the wrong way to look at it at this stage. If these people really cared about the environment they should have been promoting nuclear or promoting less(zero) meat consumption. India and China should have the same targets as everyone else. We don't need concession to set up coal plants. Removing restrictions on nuclear tech would be better.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by flukus on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:43PM (#14466486)
> I don't think global warming cares who emits the carbon.

It doesn't. Most of the carbon in the atmosphere today was emitted by the western world though and it's up to them to show leadership and address the problem they created.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by ahh on Thursday June 01, 2017 @07:59PM (#14466206)
You are just echoing the politician's syllogism: we must do something, this is something, we must do this.

Your point that we could not get anything better is not an excuse for doing something bad.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by devindotcom on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:06PM (#14466259)
Why is the Paris Accord "bad"?

A major economic and ecological policy agreed on by nearly the entire planet is no small task. It took years to create and is a compromise - we can do better and that was the plan, to iterate on it.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by dkhenry on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:15PM (#14466322)
Its bad because its not a level playing field. Its tips the global economy away from Americans because they are too "Developed". Turns out there are lots of Americans in fly over country who disagree.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by ryanobjc on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:38PM (#14466457)
The fact is the US polluted the living fuck out of the world to get to it's developed status, and then turns around and says "no you cant do that". So a level playing field already makes no sense.

The point of this is to achieve reasonable outcomes, while also allowing developing countries to grow reasonably (and live another billion out of poverty) while helping them with it.

If the developed worlds can't afford another $100b, I really don't know what to say? Especially considering a lot of that comes around to contracts and exported goods from the very same developed countries! They're not about to start printing solar cells in a country that is barely feeding itself!

As for "fly over country"... I really dont know what to say here. The world doesn't work like the simplistic metaphors that are being peddled to them. For example, the 'government budget is like a family budget' is a nonsensical analogy that is false. Or comparing government debt to credit card debt. These analogies stand in to trick the casual reader in to certain points of view (anti tax and anti government spending ones as it turns out).

What to do about this? Well, honestly, outlawing Fox News would probably be a good start.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by dkhenry on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:53PM (#14466541)
You are looking at this from a macro level and completely ignoring the actual repercussions these policy's have. These other countries who you are saying need to "Develop" are not behind the "Developed" countries in any metric other then quality of life statistics. However the policy gives them an advantage in a globally equivalent marketplace. So no it isn't a reasonable outcome to ask a sovereign people to not be able to compete for business fairly simply because on average their citizens have more money then another country.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by _jal on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:23PM (#14466711)
> These other countries who you are saying need to "Develop" are not behind the "Developed" countries in any metric other then quality of life statistics

That little figure happens to be kinda important. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and state that most people consider their quality of life to be somewhat more important than abstract ideas about global economic policy.

"Fairness" had nothing to do with how we got here. Or, to flip it around, why would any country (let alone the ones the U.S. has abused for various reasons, artificially retarding their growth) agree to a model that dooms their citizens to a pre-industrial life?

This is no different than the arguments for flat taxes because progressive income tax is "unfair".

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by dkhenry on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:37PM (#14466780)
So is this a policy to redistribute wealth or to deal with climate change? Because it is advertised as something to deal with climate change, but all I see in it is a way to redistribute wealth. If we are serious about climate change then write a policy that deals with it. Everyone makes steps to reduce pollution, not half of us makes steps to reduce pollution and give lots of money to countries who do nothing so they can build up their green energy capabilities and use them to undercut a major source of domestic economic growth
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by _jal on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:54PM (#14466854)
I think you're attempting to drive a false distinction. At this scale, doing anything about anything involves "redistributing wealth". And if that's all you see, well, I'd suggest that has more to do with what you're looking at than what's there.

If you approach this sort of global negotiation with a precondition that it not alter the existing economic order, that is the same as refusing to negotiate. If that's your view, then fine; there's clearly no point in discussing further.

But if the goal is to deal honestly with climate change, the reality is that there will be winners and losers. Just like happened in the run-up to where we are now. Guess what: we won the run up. Now we have to decide if we're willing to give up some of the "unfair" share we've had for almost a century in return for our grandkids having something vaguely like the quality of life our parents had.

Some days I really think the U.S. is just doomed by our culture. Thankfully, I'm more chipper other days.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by handedness on Thursday June 01, 2017 @10:29PM (#14466986)
> What to do about this? Well, honestly, outlawing Fox News would probably be a good start.

So your final analysis is to tear up the Bill of Rights?

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by usaar333 on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:59PM (#14466579)
dkhenry, alternatively it is far more unfair to have allowed developed countries to have developed all of their infrastructure while generating 80+% of excess carbon emissions , while banning developing countries from exercising this same path.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by tropo on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:51PM (#14466841)
The "family budget" and "credit card debt" analogies aren't too terrible. They are a decent start. They don't crash and burn until you have to account for inflation.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by azernik on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:53PM (#14466540)
That's where you and I disagree. The different requirements laid on developing vs. developed countries are in my opinion a feature, not a bug. Demanding from India and and Sub-Saharan Africa to remain pre-industrial nations while we get to keep polluting at a much higher per-capita rate is not in any sense a "level playing field" - it's grandfathering in the advantage we currently gain by polluting more.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by tropo on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:43PM (#14466811)
Yes, it would be "grandfathering in the advantage we currently gain". You don't want that advantage? Are you tired of winning?

Trump said: "We gonna win so much you may even get tired of winning and you'll say please, please Mr. president, It's too much winning! We can't take it anymore!"

Look, it was a joke. You're expected to like winning.

I suppose you could move elsewhere on the non-level playing field if you actually don't like winning. You'd have to make some major lifestyle changes. I bet you do like winning.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by atonse on Thursday June 01, 2017 @10:09PM (#14466901)
Except in this case you aren't winning. We're all losing. The climate isn't just going to be nice on developed nations 20 years from now. It's going to be bad for all nations because we didn't act.

We're all losing. Already.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by azernik on Thursday June 01, 2017 @10:11PM (#14466910)
You work so hard on "winning" that you push much more poor and desperate people to the breaking point, you're going to have problems.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by propman on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:07PM (#14466633)
In 10 years regardless of this agreement flyover country will have more renewable energy jobs than manufacturing jobs lol. Iowa, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Nebraska, North Dakota and Kansas generate 25% of their total energy from just Wind and Texas leads the country in total renewables just from Wind. Yes Texas produces more renewable energy than California. And crazy part, this was almost 90% accomplished in the last 6 years only.

These states will turn blue if federal policies harm them. Farms barely surviving put 5 wind turbines on their land and make 50k a year for 30 years. Counties with nothing going for them happen to have the best Wind in the world.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by dkhenry on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:22PM (#14466706)
I agree, and we will continue to see those jobs grow. I don't see this as us moving away from green jobs and a reduced carbon footprint. This is about us signing away our competitiveness because someone thinks it makes things fair. We will continue to produce more renewable energy and continue to make it more economic. Other countries are free to continue as well, but we shouldn't give them money so they can invest in industries that will attempt to undercut domestic firms in the global marketplace.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by digitalzombie on Thursday June 01, 2017 @11:22PM (#14467195)
> Turns out there are lots of Americans in fly over country who disagree.

I could throw out statistic too.

> Seven out of 10 Americans support remaining in the agreement, according to a national poll conducted by the Yale Program on Climate Communication

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/05/most-ame...

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by lelandbatey on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:29PM (#14466403)
It is true that they disagree. It is not true that they're lives are definitely harder. For every person in the US, there are four in China. Even imagining that China had the same wealth distribution as the US, which it does not, that still means there are vastly, vastly (at least 4x) more people with lives that are empirically more painful, with less medicine, less availability of electricity, and less food. This isn't because China is doing a bad job, it's because there are a lot of people.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by dkhenry on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:44PM (#14466490)
You are correct that there are many more people in China and that being poor in China is worse then being poor in America, but the solution is not to export global competitiveness to other countries until their quality of living is on par with Americans. Once that ability goes away it will not come back, and as you can tell no one really cares about the plight of rural Americans who stand to be the biggest losers from the change
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by usaar333 on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:01PM (#14466595)
No one is talking about giving developing countries a pass until their GDP per capitas are on par with developed nations..

Even with business as usual emissions, China's per capita GDP will maybe be half of what the US's will be in 35 years. I doubt climate mitigation policies would chip away at much of that difference.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by minusSeven on Friday June 02, 2017 @05:46AM (#14468700)
But isn't the whole thing non binding in the first place ? Isn't this just supposed to be start so each nation on its know can plan and do it in its own way ?
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by r00fus on Friday June 02, 2017 @01:27PM (#14471739)
There is a difference between a) not going along with something is considered "doing something" and b) rejecting an existing "doing something" Treaty that only 2 other countries did not sign, that has minuscule economic impact ... without having a replacement.

That (b) is what happened. That means Trump doesn't think something must be done - which means this administration does not care about climate science and it's predicted (and proven with current findings) disastrous impacts.

There is no alternative - either we begin to fix the problem with a global framework, or we suffer the tragedy of the commons on a global scale - and we're already seeing the effects of global temperature warming and ocean acidification.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by mmanfrin on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:13PM (#14466296)
We must do this and more.

Do not let perfect be the enemy of the future of this earth.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by ahh on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:20PM (#14466347)
How, given arguments in GP, does this actually do anything of value? Note that I do not consider signaling how much we care as valuable.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by mcphage on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:31PM (#14466416)
Given we can't actually leave the accord until 2020, Trump's whole speech is nothing but signaling.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by underdown on Thursday June 01, 2017 @11:58PM (#14467344)
This was not a treaty ratified by the senate so it's not legally binding in any way.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by mcphage on Friday June 02, 2017 @09:33AM (#14469731)
So then, "leaving" it nothing but signaling.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by pharrlax on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:12PM (#14466291)
Incremental !== bad
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by lazzlazzlazz on Thursday June 01, 2017 @07:59PM (#14466207)
If these are the best replies to Trump's remarks, I very sadly must agree with Trump. Extremely disappointing.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by sanderjd on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:58PM (#14466576)
While they seem like decent replies to me, there is no reason to think that you'd get the best replies to a complicated policy question from a random commenter in a forum for technology entrepreneurs.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by lazzlazzlazz on Friday June 02, 2017 @05:52AM (#14468727)
Which is why I said "if these are the best replies".
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by sanderjd on Friday June 02, 2017 @10:10AM (#14469985)
My reading of that idiom is that it implies an assumption that they are the best replies. My comment was to point out that there's no reason to think that would be the case.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by burkaman on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:13PM (#14466664)
You've picked one single response that you don't like. Please read the rest in this thread, and then find a better source because there's no reason to think HN commenters are particularly expert in this area.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by lazzlazzlazz on Friday June 02, 2017 @05:52AM (#14468731)
This was the top-voted response to the top-voted comment when I posted.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by alpha_squared on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:03PM (#14466235)
What makes these points disappointing?
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by alando46 on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:07PM (#14466261)
Ya they seem pretty sound to me.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by desdiv on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:15PM (#14466677)
>1. Poor countries are allowed to increase their carbon emissions because their current emissions are already low per person, and requiring then to lower emissions would basically be telling then they're not allowed to become developed countries. They will not sign on.

China's current emissions is at 7.7 T/capita. India's current emissions is at 1.9 T/capita. A fair and equitable solution would be to impose a hard limit at, let's say, 8 or 10 T/capita for everyone, no exceptions. This way everyone plays by the same rules.

If you offered these terms to China and India, I'm pretty sure their leaders will take it, despite the harshness of it.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by yellowapple on Friday June 02, 2017 @02:45AM (#14467961)
"requiring then to lower emissions would basically be telling then they're not allowed to become developed countries"

It sounds to me like the effort needs to be in making green energy more affordable than non-green energy. This would benefit all nations.

Money talks. If it's cheaper to go green, even the most die-hard conservative will go green (anecdotal case in point: my die-hard conservative grandfather, who drives a Prius).

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by azernik on Friday June 02, 2017 @09:33AM (#14469732)
And that's exactly what that big chunk of cash is supposed to be for - to help developing nations start out with cleaner power generation.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by yellowapple on Friday June 02, 2017 @12:08PM (#14470947)
Right, but it does so by giving them money to spend on expensive stuff, which treats one of the symptoms instead of the root cause.

What I'd sooner advocate is to instead give that money to organizations working to make that expensive stuff actually cheap for everyone (or at least cheaper than the alternative of sticking with fossil fuels). That way, it's more economical for everyone (not just rich countries, and not just poor countries) to skip the fossil fuels stage of industrialization and jump straight to green energy everywhere.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by hyperdunc on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:31PM (#14466414)
China and India each have over four times the population of the United States. They have to take some collective responsibility for that so their emissions per person should be lower.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by manicdee on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:40PM (#14466465)
China and India have ΒΌ and 1/11 the per-capita emissions if the USA. Thus the Chinese could triple their emissions output and still be "cleaner" than the USA. India could increase their emissions by an order of magnitude and still be "cleaner" than the USA.

As the 7th most polluting country in the world, the USA should take responsibility to show that their emissions per person should be lower.

This is how Trump carefully frames the debate: talking about increases in emissions without referring to current emissions.

Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by rtx on Friday June 02, 2017 @05:24AM (#14468606)
Per capita is the wrong way to look at it. As someone living in India we don't want us to aspire for that kind of emissions. I belive we should start with a freeze on top ten countries. India can grow in other ways.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by hyperdunc on Friday June 02, 2017 @12:53AM (#14467541)
The USA creates far too much pollution, no doubt about it. If China and India only stop emissions increases when they reach per capita parity with the USA then we're all in a lot of trouble.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by azernik on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:00PM (#14466591)
I'm sorry, what? They should take collective responsibility for not being divided into a dozen smaller states like Europe is?
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by hyperdunc on Friday June 02, 2017 @12:59AM (#14467564)
Europe is sufficiently integrated to consider it as a bloc with regards to this issue. Europe's population is twice that of the USA and half that of China/India. If Europe's emissions increased to the same per capita level as the USA that would obviously be a bad thing.
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by koolba on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:51PM (#14466535)
What country gives more foreign aid, either in total or per capita, than the USA?
Re:WA, NY and CA Governors Announce Formation of United Stat... by azernik on Thursday June 01, 2017 @08:58PM (#14466575)
In total terms, none - the US is much bigger than other developed countries (unless you count the EU as a bloc, in which case, yes, the EU, by almost three times).

In per-economic-output terms, MANY. The EU average is 0.47% of GNI [1], while the US gives 0.17% of GNI, and Sweden (the outstanding example) gives a whopping 1.4% of GNI. Outside of the EU, Japan gives "only" 30-ish% more than the US, at 0.22%.

Another interesting stand-out is Turkey, which despite being MUCH poorer than the developed world gives 0.54% of GNI.

The United Nations and OECD long-term target is 0.7% of GNI.

[1] GNI is a modified version of GDP which adds income earned abroad by residents and subtracts income earned locally by non-residents.

[2] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_countr...