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Re:Metadata is the real data by mirimir on Thursday June 01, 2017 @07:33PM (#14465981)
Yes, metadata can't be encrypted. And it can't be eliminated.

But it can be obfuscated enough to be, in practice, virtually useless. A single VPN service provides no anonymity. Tor provides some anonymity, using onion routing. There are three relays in normal circuits. Each of them knows where data comes from, and where it's going to. But with at least three, the entry and exit relays don't know each other.

But there are vulnerabilities. The relay early bug allowed CMU researchers to communicate between their malicious entry and exit relays, and so de-anonymize users and onion services. That bug is fixed, but of course there may be others.

However, onion routing can also be applied to VPN services. I'm typing this through a nested chain of VPNs. And one can readily use Tor via nested VPN chains. So adversaries would need to compromise multiple servers in different jurisdictions, walking through Tor and VPNs, in order to identify me. Or they could exploit intercepts from network edges with traffic analysis. But it wouldn't be easy.

Re:Metadata is the real data by Zetaphor on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:22PM (#14466708)
What kind of speeds do you get with that setup?
Re:Metadata is the real data by mirimir on Thursday June 01, 2017 @11:56PM (#14467325)
Through three nested VPNs, about 10 Mbps each way, with 100-150 ms rtt. Plus Tor, about 1-3 Mbps each way, with 500 ms rtt or more.
Re:Metadata is the real data by patrick_haply on Friday June 02, 2017 @01:02AM (#14467577)
You must have a really good internet connection. I pay close to $200 USD/mo for a wireless, 10Mbps max connection, and that's literally the best I can get unless I were to personally invest in running a fiber-optic line to my house.
Re:Metadata is the real data by mirimir on Friday June 02, 2017 @05:24PM (#14473431)
Yes, I have a decent uplink. And I use fast VPN services.

With 10 Mbps, you should be able to get 3-5 Mbps through nested VPNs. I use UDP for all of them, so there's no retransmission chaos. As you add VPNs to the chain, bandwidth doesn't necessarily go down. But rtt increases, of course.