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Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by wand3r on Thursday June 01, 2017 @01:41PM (#14462546)
NYT is being gamed to feed misinformation so this is ironic to read; like the BuzzFeed article on fake news. I'm no Trump supporter but I have screen caps of single digit election predictions; e.g. 90/10 Hillary. It's owned by a Billionaire Mexican communications mogul[1] and is pretty much leftist & big business propaganda.

The only difference on Twitter is that a lot of little voices parrot 1 message instead of one loud one. The bots are great. You need both sides of propaganda to comfortably land in the middle; or at least be informed.

[1] Please don't pretend the founding family stock split helps them retain control.

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by epistasis on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:26PM (#14462995)
> I'm no Trump supporter but I have screen caps of single digit election predictions; e.g. 90/10 Hillary.

Yes, of course you do, these have been well documented by the same sources that produced the models. Why would you feel the need to screen cap them? Why would you put this statement next to fake news?

Do you not understand what was in your screencap?

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by wand3r on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:32PM (#14463065)
538 was being laughed at for 70/30 or greater and HuffPo and NYT had Hillary dancing on stage with Jay Z. I screen capped various organizations refusing to update polls, refusing to post WikiLeaks info and above all refusing to do the fucking news.

NYT broke Watergate which was embargoed by the president. I will never forgive them for how shameful and cowardly they have become. I am sure there are great men and women who work there, and for them I feel the worst.

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by linkregister on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:55PM (#14463310)
> refusing to post WikiLeaks info

NYT, among others, has been widely castigated by Democrats for putting Hillary Email stories on their front page.

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by wand3r on Thursday June 01, 2017 @03:40PM (#14463762)
No they reported it happened and never the content.
Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by jjawssd on Thursday June 01, 2017 @03:39PM (#14463747)
"Widely castigated" is a huge hyperbole. Suppression of the email stories is absolutely critical for maintaining political control by the Democrat party.

Is there any other reason the NYT would suppress this story?

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by linkregister on Thursday June 01, 2017 @05:44PM (#14465123)
What are you saying, that the Democrats celebrated the move?

Are you disputing that the email story made it to the front page of the NYT?

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by linkregister on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:53PM (#14463290)
The Washington Post broke Watergate.
Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by pilsetnieks on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:15PM (#14462900)
The 90/10 (or more realistically, 70/30) were predictions of her chance of winning, not the votes. I.e. 90% or 70% likelihood of having over 50% of the electoral votes. It was not a prediction of getting 90% of the votes.
Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by eridius on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:10PM (#14462849)
> like the BuzzFeed article on fake news

Is the implication here that BuzzFeed is itself fake news? Because that's certainly not true. Some of the best real news reporting I've seen lately has come out of BuzzFeed News.

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by Quequau on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:40PM (#14463143)
Yeah, BuzzFeed has a frustrating business model. Produce great volumes of worthless clickbait, wrapped with adverts and use the revenue to fund actual legit journalism.

Clearly it works to some degree but I expect they're going to struggle to ever move beyond their clickbait reputation.

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by eridius on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:47PM (#14463221)
Well, I mean, this is why they have the BuzzFeed brand and the separate BuzzFeed News brand, right? They even show up as two different channels (and different colors) in the Apple News app. A lot of people still don't seem to realize that there is a split like this, but changing people's perception of them is really just a matter of time.
Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by notfromhere on Thursday June 01, 2017 @04:32PM (#14464323)
It's like complaining that the New York Times has actual news articles next to the crosswords and ads
Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by ajflkjasdf777 on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:45PM (#14463205)
Personally, I look at all of it as rigged and treat their narratives as such up front, regardless of the source.

The media in the US has been gamed by one power broker or another since its beginning. The Founding Fathers wrote and distributed propaganda anonymously.

The government invented an entire group to handle modern propaganda operations and worked with the media to peddle their narratives for the last generation.

This is all documented plainly, often via government record itself.

I don't think measuring these things is all that useful, given this.

The premise of "it's gamed for partisan gain" is firmly established by history. How much either way is a quibble, IMO. Let's focus on equitable outcomes for all, and stop diving into these overly customized data holes.

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by ue_ on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:11PM (#14462858)
>leftist & big business propaganda

These seem to be at odds with each other, which makes me doubt that either or both of them is actually the case.

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by WillPostForFood on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:23PM (#14462966)
Been to silicon valley? It is about 80% liberal big business, with a smattering of rogue libertarians.
Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by ue_ on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:45PM (#14463200)
"Liberal" doesn't mean left, though. What's 'left' about big business? Or capitalism? Just because "liberal" ideas are frequently found around leftist ones, it doesn't mean that leftism is liberal, nor does it mean that liberalism is leftist.
Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by pilsetnieks on Thursday June 01, 2017 @03:16PM (#14463508)
When did "leftism" become a real word? Not a year ago, it was floated by "rightists" to denigrate liberals, since then I've seen it used as a sort of a dog whistle. It couldn't possibly be that the general public is so dense that the most acceptable political divisions nowadays are "leftist" and "rightist?"

Will it devolve into full idiocracy of "redist" and "bluist" by the next elections?

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by ue_ on Thursday June 01, 2017 @03:25PM (#14463597)
I along with other "leftists" use it as a short-hand for left-wing politics, generally those who believe in politics usually placed on the left of the left-right spectrum, including but not limited to the abolition of what we believe are systematic unjustified inequalities within society.
Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by wand3r on Friday June 02, 2017 @08:04AM (#14469252)
I was lazy; I meant socially liberal, neo-progressive above but it was easier to use "left" because it's a quick short hand. The NYT seems to be very socially liberal but on issues that are often trivial while steadfastly being a big business/pro globalist mouthpiece, also backs US Govt with little push back.

That was my mistake on "left". I was lazy. I don't believe in a political spectrum but enough people understand that simply saying "left" meant everything in this paragraph mostly

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by leereeves on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:47PM (#14463227)
"Liberal" as used in America usually means leftist. The original meaning of the word is largely forgotten.
Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by dragonwriter on Thursday June 01, 2017 @03:05PM (#14463401)
> "Liberal" as used in America usually means leftist. The original meaning of the word is largely forgotten.

"Liberal/conservative" and "left/right" both, in their original political definitions, describe essentially the same divide (the former comes from England, the latter from revolutionary France.)

They've diverged in modern usage somewhat because debate over the desirability of the movement of the locus of government power from personal prerogative of hereditary elites based on class right to the public at large based on individual rights is no longer the primary meaningful divide in the developed world, and rather debate over the precise nature of individual rights and the manner in which they should shape governance, most of which fits within the original liberal/left space (and the rest outside the classic right/left or liberal/conservative divide), is now current.

Re:How Twitter Is Being Gamed to Feed Misinformation by RodericDay on Thursday June 01, 2017 @03:06PM (#14463413)
Absolutely not true. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy, usually regurgitated by people who don't discuss politics much.