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Re:The Race to 10/7nm by semi-extrinsic on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:29PM (#14455232)
There's lots of fun here!

> It will cost $271 million to design a 7nm chip, according to Gartner.

Not a million more, not a million less.

Re:The Race to 10/7nm by BugsJustFindMe on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:50PM (#14455370)
> As the size shrinks, less and less area and volume are available

Wait, are you sure?

Re:The Race to 10/7nm by wand3r on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @06:13PM (#14456354)
Unclear. Sometimes a smaller size like 7nm is actually 10nm. To summarize 10 > 7 BUT 7 = 10.
Re:The Race to 10/7nm by RugnirViking on Thursday June 01, 2017 @10:43AM (#14460651)
> Cost, of course, is key because only a select group of foundry customers with deep pockets can afford 10nm and 7nm

Really? I wouldn't have known that only people with more money can spend more money

Re:The Race to 10/7nm by vessenes on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:53PM (#14456231)
This is vastly overstated by the way. Maybe to design a de-novo X86 competitor chip. ARM's entire operating expenses in the last 12 months are about $700mm, for every single bit of their company. No way that a single 7nm chip costs $270mm for design.
Re:The Race to 10/7nm by pg314 on Thursday June 01, 2017 @03:14AM (#14458521)
Design is not the same as tape-out. ARM designs the logical structure of its chips (the VHDL or Verilog). They then license that design to customers (such as Apple, Samsung), who customise it.

The tape-out is completely separate from that. You need to do the physical layout and produce a set of lithographic masks that are incredibly expensive. Back in 2000, a set of masks for the most advanced technology at the time was already in the millions of dollars. Things have gotten ridiculously more complex since then.