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Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by TulliusCicero on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:10PM (#14455092)
Agreed. America's forced dominance of the automobile is pretty grossly unethical. Freedom means the ability to make meaningful choices, and if biking is incredibly dangerous, transit is slow and infrequent, and nothing is within walking distance, then those are hardly meaningful options, are they?

Building to support multiple modes of transportation is the freedom-loving thing to do. Want to walk? Go for it! Transit? Sure! Biking? Why not? Driving? Works for me!

Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by strictnein on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:18PM (#14455166)
"Freedom" doesn't mean living wherever you want and having every option available to you. It means choosing to live in places that offer the amenities you desire.

Want walkable, bikeable, mass transit, etc? Live downtown. Want bigger homes, yards, quite, etc? Live in the suburbs.

Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by TulliusCicero on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:48PM (#14455349)
> "Freedom" doesn't mean living wherever you want and having every option available to you.

Obviously there's a limit to how reasonable multimodal transportation is. Nobody's expecting decent transit among rural farmland. But we could do better than we're doing now -- MUCH better.

> Want bigger homes, yards, quite, etc? Live in the suburbs.

The biggest problem with this is that in the US you usually have to choose between one of two extremes which dovetail with your examples. You're either in a big ugly apartment block downtown (or in a downtown-ish area) or you're in a super low density suburb where Cars Are Law.

Plenty of countries manage to have more of a gradient, where you can have, say, suburbs of middling density, where driving is easy, but so is walking, biking, and taking the train to the city. I live in Munich at the moment and the suburbs nearby fit this mold perfectly, but in the US such towns are extremely rare.

There are still plenty of cars in Munich proper, for that matter. There are just lots of other options too.

* Also in most American cities even the downtown still isn't very walkable, definitely isn't bikable, and has crappy transit. There really are only a handful of cities in the US where these things all work reasonably well.

Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by watwut on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:13PM (#14455965)
Biking is not "incredibly dangerous". It plenty safe. It is healthy. It however sometimes slows down cars and some drivers are then motivated to frame biking as dangerous activity to stop it.

But really really really, biking is not incredibly dangerous.

Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by specialist on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:27PM (#14456075)
I've bike commuted to work. In a very bike friendly area.

Everyone I know has been in an accident of some sort. Hit & runs, side swipes, doored, pushed (deliberately), etc.

After better infrastructure, the most effective way to improve safety is to have more cyclists. I think we're in a rough transition period, but things are definitely getting better.

One of my bike buddies thinks things will really change once moms start cycling en masse. That'd change the perception from gonzo bike dudes to totally uncool in a heartbeat, evoking much less hostility.

Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by dtech on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @07:06PM (#14456637)
I live in the Netherlands (16 million people, 23 million bikes). I went to San Fransisco a few months ago, one of the most bike-friendly US cities from what I've heard. Riding a bike there made me want to make sure my will was updated.
Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by TulliusCicero on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:22PM (#14456037)
Biking in the US is way more dangerous than in countries where it's more popular, like the Netherlands.
Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by omegaworks on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @06:08PM (#14456319)
I have several coworkers that have stopped biking to work here in sunny, liberal SF because of near-death experiences commuting on a bike.

These are both avid riders with professional-grade equipment taking a short Mission-FiDi route.

Regardless of its "project zero" marketing, SFMTA has bikes last on its priority list. It has to be pushed by guerrilla infrastructure groups to do anything meaningful.

Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by Mz on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:19PM (#14456010)
In some areas, it is quite dangerous due to a lack of bike infrastructure and the driving habits of locals. My ex husband sometimes commuted to work by bike and often bitched about this.
Re:The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure by emmelaich on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @10:36PM (#14457561)
I live in an area with good roads, good cars. We get a bike fatality a few times a year. At dusk I find even the well-lit bikes a little hard to discern. We also have some bad drivers. In the most recent fatality the lead rider of a bunch riding on a road was decapitated.

I used to ride bikes all the time as a kid but I would not make a habit of riding on our roads. It's too much of a gamble.