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Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by Florin_Andrei on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @02:02PM (#14454590)
> no longer being able to watch most space movies due to frustration caused by the filmmakers not grokking basic orbital physics

Meh. I've a degree in Physics and I still enjoy Star Trek.

I agree with the rest.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by nategri on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @07:55PM (#14456848)
Same! And I have theories about it. It's either because

1.) In general Star Trek isn't really about physics, its about sociology or (in the better episodes) political science.

2.) Star Trek gets physics so wildly wrong that its not as grating as a show/movie that tries really hard for realism and still fails utterly. If there's an uncanny valley of scifi physics, Star Trek is definitely standing miles from the opposite side.

The only consistent exception to this is Voyager which does start to get on my nerves as a particle astrophysicist. I mean c'mon guys thats too many made up particles. Settle down.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by ue_ on Thursday June 01, 2017 @12:28AM (#14457995)
>1.) In general Star Trek isn't really about physics, its about sociology or (in the better episodes) political science.

I've never watched Star Trek, though curiously I know another show set in space about politics, the anime Legend of the Galactic Heroes; it runs about 100 episodes with a few feature films too. If you're interested in politics, specifically in this case the play between a democracy and rule by one person.

It's also rather quaint, the imperial military is styled in a 19th century German style complete with uniforms, and the republic is styled in a modern futuristic style, not without berets though.

It's great fun, but I don't suggest it be discounted because it's an anime, which is a response I have received before.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by a_bonobo on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:37AM (#14458407)
The ten books the series is based on are currently getting an 'official' translation, I think they've now published 4 books out of 10 in English. It's not very different from the series but definitely not as time-consuming.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by hapbringer on Thursday June 01, 2017 @06:09AM (#14459094)
How do you feel about The Flash? To me, it was fine at first, but as the show went on, too much habdwaiving was used, even for a tv show of its genre and it's becoming increasingly annoying (to me at least). I'm no physicist, though.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by rxhernandez on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:12PM (#14455101)
I too have a degree in Physics but have trouble enjoying sci-fi entertainment that includes basic physics screw ups in its story. I about pull my hair out when I hear them insert quantum entanglement in random places to make up for a lack of creativity and/or ability to hire a decent science adviser.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by Florin_Andrei on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:23PM (#14455205)
Well, I was just watching yesterday an episode from TNG, where Geordie detects a "deuterium leak", and Riker immediately asks "toxic?"

Dude, it's hydrogen, you need to have different concerns there.

At least they did acknowledge that firing a weapon in a deuterium-rich atmosphere might not be wise, depending on concentration.

Eh, just push the non-chewy bits to the edge of the plate and enjoy the rest of the culinary confection.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by logfromblammo on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:35PM (#14456121)
As a nitpick, deuterium actually is toxic. The hydrogen bonding in molecules that substitute deuterium for light hydrogen is affected, such that if you drink enough heavy water, you will experience symptoms similar to radiation poisoning. It interferes with how your chromosomes line up during cell division.

Presumably, if you inhale enough dideuterium monoxide vapor, you may experience a similar effect. It would not be acutely toxic, though--more like an occupational exposure level of hazard. Deuterium gas is likely as harmless as light hydrogen gas.

If a retcon is necessary to preserve one's enjoyment of the show, Riker may have already been aware of the hazard level for humans, but was asking for a more informed opinion from the chief engineer, who has presumably read and memorized all the MSDS sheets, for the benefit of any nonhuman organisms on board. Vulcans and Romulans, for instance, experience an anaesthetic effect from TLTDH, similar to the effect of NO2 on humans. It would not be out of character for Star Trek to invent a bizarre species-specific toxicity if the plot demanded one.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by Florin_Andrei on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @09:20PM (#14457237)
Well, they were not about to drink heavy water, they were just breathing air with some percentage of heavy hydrogen.

How much D2 can you breathe in before you suffocate anyway?

Of whatever amount you do breathe, how little is absorbed?

Of the tiny amount that is in fact absorbed, how much ends up exchanging D atoms with your body?

I don't know the answers to these questions, but my bet is the airborne process is orders of magnitude less efficient than drinking D2O.

Their main concerns should be:

1. Suffocation from lack of O2

2. Risk of explosion if the D2 percentage is in the danger zone

3. If that think was leaking out of a reactor, maybe there were some byproducts leaking out with it? Like, I dunno, tritium? That would be really, really nasty to breathe in.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by ilamont on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:45PM (#14456185)
This is the best Internet comment I have seen this month on HN or anywhere else. Thank you!
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by stormbeta on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @09:58PM (#14457398)
You'd probably enjoy Greg Egan's work then.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by TeMPOraL on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @06:22PM (#14456406)
I enjoy Star Trek too, but mostly thanks to growing up with it. It's what got me interested in science and technology in the first place. I also very much enjoy the story and the message of TNG and later Trek series. It's the future I'd love to happen.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by J5892 on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @02:11PM (#14454678)
And I think all of us here love hacker movies.

Sneakers, Hackers, Swordfish, etc. :)

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by Tylerosaurus on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:50PM (#14455365)
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by rrauenza on Friday June 02, 2017 @02:08AM (#14467826)
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by xanderstrike on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @04:44PM (#14455750)
A real hacking movie would be deathly boring. My favorite hacking in movies is either when it's cheesed up to the max (visually interesting) or happens off screen (more realistic).
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by Karellen on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:04PM (#14455903)
I love the 10 minute or so montage in wargames where David just goes to libraries to do basic honest research on falken, in order to figure out what his password is. Of course, he should have tried Joshua like a week before he actually did, but you can't have everything.

And that's not counting knowing where the school password post-it note is kept, and getting yourself sent to the principal on a regular basis so you can keep looking it up.

Or just letting your computer run for an entire day to determine which phone numbers in a given set of area codes have modems on the other end.

Wargames does take a few shortcuts for storytelling, and it is a bit silly in the best possible way, but the actual hacking is genuinely good, and not boring.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by flukus on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @08:14PM (#14456935)
Wargames was brilliant. How does everyone feel about the remake: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0865957/? I've decided not to let it ruin my memories of the original so far.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by eecc on Friday June 02, 2017 @04:28AM (#14468379)
According to the reviews on IMDB you linked to, that was a good call. Stick to it.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by captn3m0 on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:35PM (#14455267)
I absolutely hated watching Mr. Robot. Gave up after 4 episodes.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by nopreserveroot on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @06:58PM (#14456597)
That's surprising. Mr. Robot has the most realistic depiction of hacking I have seen in mainstream media.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by gaelian on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:43AM (#14458421)
Same. Massive reason why I watched the show.

I remember watching the first few episodes and Elliot is doing one of his monologues about the technology he uses and his hacking activities and I was like hold on! That all mostly made sense! What's going on here? :)

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by jaegerpicker on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @10:27PM (#14457525)
I love Mr. Robot one of the best shows on TV IMO.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by optimuspaul on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @04:59PM (#14455873)
Any reasons why?
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by kbenson on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @02:38PM (#14454862)
Yes, but we love them despite the horrible misconceptions they hoisted on the general public, and the generally horrible accuracy. :)
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by microcolonel on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @04:03PM (#14455471)
But RISC is nonetheless good.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by moomin on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:14PM (#14455972)
Oh grief, Swordfish is laugh out loud hilarious. I cannot for the life of me think of a movie that tries so hard to be one of the cool kids.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by philsnow on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @03:28PM (#14455229)
In what way was swordfish like Sneakers/Hackers? The latter are cyberpunk-ish, a bit ideological.

Swordfish is more of a "caper" movie with a cheap tacked-on hacking bit. Bad guy wants money, uses hacker and LOTS OF CRIME to get it.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by vacri on Thursday June 01, 2017 @03:02AM (#14458490)
I realised in Swordfish that the 'hacking' bit (with the 3D shapes rather than anything real) isn't meant to be literally hacking, but instead emotive of it, for the 98.2% of the audience who doesn't know what actually goes on.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by philsnow on Thursday June 01, 2017 @11:36AM (#14461172)
Hackers has a couple scenes like that, I don't have a problem with the device.

But in Swordfish it's completely ancillary to the movie that it's computer hacking that's going on. The goal is money, not any part of any "hacker ethos" or anything.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by J5892 on Thursday June 01, 2017 @02:52PM (#14463279)
Just in that they all have unrealistic depictions of hacking.

It's definitely the worst of the three.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by celticninja on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @06:34PM (#14456468)
Yeah those three movies are not the same when it comes to the hacking.
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by driverdan on Thursday June 01, 2017 @10:14AM (#14460366)
I enjoy when older, unrealistic movies become more realistic over time.

Remotely hacking the sprinkler system in Hackers was so unrealistic when it came out but today it's scary how real that could be.

Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by Yhippa on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @04:01PM (#14455457)
Do you consider Office Space a hacker movie?
Re:Kerbal Space Program Acquired by Take-Two Interactive by Mister_Snuggles on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @05:07PM (#14455918)
I consider Office Space a documentary.