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Re:Child Marriage in America by Svekax on Sunday May 28, 2017 @07:51AM (#14434006)
Rape, imprisonment, threats, assault, etc. are already illegal. I fail to see how adding an additional law will suddenly fix these situations.

But raising the marriage age above the age of consent (like what was attempted in New Jersey) will cause real harm to people who have nothing to do with those situations. Teenagers won't be able to cover their pregnant partners under their insurance. Soldiers won't be able to get married before joining. More children will be born out of wedlock. What do democrats shout at Trump's plans to end Obamacare? "If you do this, people will die!"

The minimum marriage age should be the age of consent and not a year higher.

Re:Child Marriage in America by pwim on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:16AM (#14434092)
According to the article, more than half the states have no firm minimum age for marriage. For many states, it is below the age of consent. In some states, statutory rape is not considered such if the partners are married. It seems that the laws need an overhaul like you say, to bring in line with age of consent at least.
Re:Child Marriage in America by dennisgorelik on Sunday May 28, 2017 @05:58PM (#14436255)
There is a reason why marriage age limits are frequently below the age of consent.

One of important reasons why society wants to push age of consent way above puberty age - is because society wants to prevent teenagers from having promiscuous sex and have pregnancies out of wedlock. Marriage helps to reduce both these risks. That is why marriage is allowed at a lower ages than age of consent.

Re:Child Marriage in America by Svekax on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:18AM (#14434100)
And?
Re:Child Marriage in America by DanBC on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:22AM (#14434110)
You said that rape is already illegal.

Children are being raped, and then pressured to marry their rapists. This means that the rapists can't always be prosecuted.

Re:Child Marriage in America by moopling on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:24AM (#14434118)
Did you read the article? They are making the case that communities are using early marriage as a way of covering up rape in places where underage sex is legal (or at least overlooked) if the person is married. Hence banning it would reduce the amount of rape going unpunished, and therefore the amount of rape.
Re:Child Marriage in America by carc1n0gen on Sunday May 28, 2017 @07:57AM (#14434023)
Does it really matter if a child is born out of wedlock?
Re:Child Marriage in America by thesumofall on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:38AM (#14434159)
There are studies that show correlations, for example, with income and education [1]. Correlation, however, does surely not proof causation.

Personally, our son was also born out-of-wedlock and we are still not married. For us it was simply a choice of wanting children but not seeing the need to affirm our relationship through the public statement of a wedding. While in our country no one is taking offense with that, it is unfortunate that there are still negative side effects such as higher taxes and a lot of paperwork to ensure my spouse and I have the same rights and obligations with regards to our son

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/why-are...

Re:Child Marriage in America by Svekax on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:04AM (#14434047)
Yes. Children with only one parent are more likely to be physically and mentally unhealthy, go to prison, not go to college, use drugs, abuse alcohol, etc. It should be obvious that children are better off when there are two people responsible for taking care of them.
Re:Child Marriage in America by rahkiin on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:07AM (#14434060)
How is out of wedlock the same as 'only one parent'? Can't you have two unmarried parents?
Re:Child Marriage in America by dennisgorelik on Sunday May 28, 2017 @05:53PM (#14436236)
In the situation from this article, without marriage one of the parents would likely go to jail. Then the child would be raised by a single parent (a teenager).

Who, exactly, would have benefited from that?

Re:Child Marriage in America by eatbitseveryday on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:07AM (#14434056)
Being born out of wedlock does not mean there there is only one parent...
Re:Child Marriage in America by Svekax on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:08AM (#14434061)
Re:Child Marriage in America by icebraining on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:12AM (#14434076)
What is that supposed to prove?
Re:Child Marriage in America by Svekax on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:13AM (#14434079)
Prove?
Re:Child Marriage in America by EliRivers on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:11AM (#14434071)
Re:Child Marriage in America by Svekax on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:12AM (#14434074)
I believe you are confused. This is a discussion about marriage, not parenthood.
Re:Child Marriage in America by icebraining on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:13AM (#14434081)
You were the one that introduced parenthood, by conflating "outside of wedlock" with, and I quote, "children with only one parent".
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Re:Child Marriage in America by DanBC on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:41AM (#14434165)
carc1n0gen: Does it really matter if a child is born out of wedlock?

Svekax: Yes. Children with only one parent [...]

I don't know how you can say this and then go on to say

> This is a discussion about marriage, not parenthood.

Re:Child Marriage in America by EliRivers on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:14AM (#14434082)
You're the one who brought up parenthood. You're the one making the claim that having unmarried parents is the same as having only one parent.
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Re:Child Marriage in America by dang on Sunday May 28, 2017 @02:32PM (#14435503)
You've repeatedly been uncivil in this thread. We ban accounts that engage in flamewars, so please don't do that again, regardless of how poorly understood you may be.
Re:Child Marriage in America by icebraining on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:23AM (#14434114)
More unmarried couples => more single parent families

That's the link that people were questioning. Marriage is not a necessary condition for having a two-parent family, even if the US law is lagging behind in recognizing it. Why would you think that any of those bad things would happen if two parents, who were already planning on living together and raising their children, had to postpone the wedding for a few years?

Re:Child Marriage in America by EliRivers on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:26AM (#14434125)
I'm not like you. I won't pretend to be something I'm not by hiding behind passive aggressive phrases like "I'll make this easy for you".

You screwed up. You conflated correlation and causation. You fumbled dictionary definitions, suggesting that having unmarried parents was the same as having only one parent.

Numerous people called you out on this. You doubled-down and then, when you saw the way it was going, tried to change the conversation and tried to suggest that you were talking about general trends; unmarried parents correlates more strongly with single parents than married parents does.

These are ways you screwed up. You can learn from this, and become a better person, more able in the future to have meaningful discussions, or you can ignore it and spit out some more passive aggressive phrases in which you pretend everyone just misunderstands you, posturing for complete strangers who don't even know you. Either way, we're done here.

Re:Child Marriage in America by chrisseaton on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:25AM (#14434122)
But why does more unmarried couples imply more single parent families? I don't understand that leap.
Re:Child Marriage in America by TheSpiceIsLife on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:27AM (#14434127)
No leap. This is a statistical fact.
Re:Child Marriage in America by DanBC on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:38AM (#14434157)
Could you point to those statistics please?

I'm a bit confused how marriage protects against single person parenting when about half of marriages end in divorce.

Re:Child Marriage in America by jimmyk on Sunday May 28, 2017 @12:02PM (#14434865)
Do you doubt that ending a marriage tends to be more difficult than ending other romantic relationships?
Re:Child Marriage in America by DanBC on Sunday May 28, 2017 @03:41PM (#14435763)
For all I know the difficulty and bitterness of divorce could make it harder for separated couples to co-parent, leading to more single parenting in families that start as married.

I'm not sure about that, I'm open to persuasion. But I'm not persuade by people saying {it's obvious}.

Re:Child Marriage in America by TheSpiceIsLife on Sunday May 28, 2017 @10:40PM (#14437100)
Actually, I should retract my previous statement. I don't really know what I wrote that, maybe something I'm personally reactive to.

As far as I'm aware what the family relationship counsellors are saying these days (the ones I've spoken to anyway) is that it is conflict that harms children.

It matters less whether the parents are together. What's important is that children aren't exposed conflict.

Re:Child Marriage in America by icebraining on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:43AM (#14434169)
Is it a fact that everything else being equal, a lack of a legal marriage document causes more single-parent families? How did someone prove that?

Because if it's just a correlation, then you're might just be measuring the obvious third-cause: that deadbeat parents are not willing to marry. And that wouldn't be affected by preventing their marriage, since they wouldn't marry anyway.

Re:Child Marriage in America by carc1n0gen on Monday May 29, 2017 @10:27AM (#14439239)
The reason I asked this question is because my parents have always been, and will continue to always be common law. They love each other and raised my brother and I together.

I was born out of wedlock, and still raised by two parents.

Re:Child Marriage in America by EliRivers on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:09AM (#14434064)
Children with only one parent

If your two parents aren't married you still have two actual parents.

Perhaps rather than "parent" you meant "active caregiver" or similar.

Re:Child Marriage in America by lultimouomo on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:04AM (#14434044)
You mean the USA allow underaged boys and girls to enlist as soldiers?
Re:Child Marriage in America by eth0up on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:23AM (#14434115)
I've always found it exceedingly bizarre that in the US, one can enlist in the military and be prepared to kill or be killed at age 17, while even at 20, it's illegal to purchase a non-alcoholic beer. I think America is very strange.
Re:Child Marriage in America by xenophonf on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:09AM (#14434065)
I'm a little unclear how that's different from any of the other things US federal, state, and local law allows minor children to do with their parents' consent. In any case under federal law, the lowest age limit for enlistment is 17 with parents' consent.
Re:Child Marriage in America by Svekax on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:05AM (#14434050)
What do you mean by "underaged"?
Re:Child Marriage in America by rahkiin on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:06AM (#14434052)
17 years old or less, I presume
Re:Child Marriage in America by Svekax on Sunday May 28, 2017 @08:07AM (#14434055)
The minimum enlistment age is 17 with parental consent. Underage would be 16 or younger.
Re:Child Marriage in America by coldtea on Sunday May 28, 2017 @06:04PM (#14436285)
>Teenagers won't be able to cover their pregnant partners under their insurance

Then maybe force insurance companies to cover partners too?

>Soldiers won't be able to get married before joining.

Then maybe they shouldn't be sent to kill and get killed before they are like 21 either? This way they have 3 full years to get married and enjoy their marriage, even after joining at 18.