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Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by nrjames on Thursday May 25, 2017 @02:43PM (#14419210)
It's ok to be accommodating as long as you have learned to be introspective. We all have demands of our own time and money. Introspective accommodating people are able to help others in a generous way while protecting the time and resources they need to help themselves. It's a difficult balance to achieve.

Through experience, I've come to believe that this holds true in long-term personal relationships, too. While many will tell you that compromise is the key to a successful marriage, I think that standing up for yourself and who you need to be usually is more important.

There's a needle on the gauge of life that experiences pressure to move from both directions. When you are too accommodating or compromise unequally, the needle moves towards you and establishes a new norm for expected behavior. Your job should be to push back just enough to keep the needle balanced at a point where you retain a full sense of self and the space within which to exercise it. That requires a strong sense of introspection and can take years of adult life to develop.

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by nostrademons on Thursday May 25, 2017 @03:14PM (#14419389)
You want to compromise on the stuff that other people find important and hold fast on the stuff that you find important. Goes for both relationships, friends, teammates, and business associates.

Most people come into the world assuming that their desires are everybody's desires. We live life by the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." This obscures that there's often a wide variety in the things we would like others to do unto us, and that assuming everybody wants what you wants often leads us to do exactly what they don't want.

It was a revelation when my therapist told me "You need to show love in the ways that other people want to receive it, not the way you want to send it." It hadn't really occurred to me before then that things I considered really inconsequential - checking if she got home okay, or leaving the porch light on for her at night - might really matter to my girlfriend (now wife), or that things that I considered really important - like listening to my latest theory on reality, or showing enthusiasm when I show her my latest product demo - might be considered inconsequential by her.

Many people have this intuitive idea that service & favors are a zero-sum game, but in actuality, some actions cost you a lot less than the recipient benefits from them, and some cost you a lot more than the recipient cares. It makes a lot of sense to perform favors that are cheap for you but benefit the recipient a lot. It's on you to figure out how much the recipient cares and how much time & energy you can spare for them.

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by minikites on Thursday May 25, 2017 @03:26PM (#14419480)
>It was a revelation when my therapist told me "You need to show love in the ways that other people want to receive it, not the way you want to send it."

I'm curious, was it along the lines of this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Love_Languages

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by nostrademons on Thursday May 25, 2017 @03:30PM (#14419505)
Similar - you can bet that most therapists have read that and incorporate it into their practice. My wife and I are fortunate enough to share the same primary love language, but like with most couples, there are a bunch of little things where we differ. This is why they say communication is key in a relationship - if you're not communicating, you never learn that the other person might come into the relationship with subtly different values or experiences, and then when they do things that make you feel ignored or hurt, you attribute it to malice rather than ignorance.
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by D-Coder on Thursday May 25, 2017 @09:04PM (#14421386)
Great little book. A friend gave me a copy... and I bought a copy for another friend.
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by trendroid on Thursday May 25, 2017 @05:51PM (#14420414)
>You want to compromise on the stuff that other people find important and hold fast on the stuff that you find important.

Isn't the definition of "important" what people disagree over when it comes to compromise? My girlfriend can say X is super important to her but in my eyes Y is more important than X and hence I will have to let go of X and hold on to Y. Convincing someone of why X or Y is more important than the other is where most of the conflict happens.

>"You need to show love in the ways that other people want to receive it, not the way you want to send it."

This is true and easy to follow but it doesn't capture my concern above which seems to be much more complex than this scenario.

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by nostrademons on Thursday May 25, 2017 @06:14PM (#14420574)
In many cases you can have both X and Y, eg. if X is camping and Y is hackathons, go camping one weekend and go to the hackathon the next weekend (or have one partner go camping and the other go hacking, if you value the individual activities more than the time spent together). If X is a clean apartment and Y is more time spent programming, throw money at the problem and hire a cleaning lady. My wife and I had a fight early on in our relationship over whether the Brita should be cold or lukewarm, and we solved it by buying a $1.50 pitcher, putting my drinking water in the fridge, and putting hers on the kitchen counter. Or for a more complex example, if X is kids and Y is a startup, you figure out what else needs to change in your life to accommodate both (eg. pay money for childcare, set boundaries on work time, babysit the kid while answering support emails so your partner can take him when you have to do customer site visits) and make it happen.

There are some issues that really are mutually exclusive, mostly because they cut to the heart of what a relationship is. If one partner wants kids and the other wants no-kids, there isn't really a way to resolve that and still have what people would consider a marriage. If one partner wants to live on a farm but the other wants to live in the city, or one is a neat-freak and the other is a compulsive hoarder, you're headed for problems. If one wants the kids raised as Orthodox Jews and the other wants them to be fundamentalist Christians, this is probably insoluble within the conventional definitions of those religions. These are beliefs where you really want to make sure you match before you get married.

But even a lot of things that look totally contradictory at first can have solutions if you're willing to give up other stuff. I know couples that live in different cities and only see each other on weekends, or ones of different religions where they've just decided to mash their different cultures together and create their own religion for the kids.

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by coffeemug on Thursday May 25, 2017 @04:45PM (#14420031)
> We live life by the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." This obscures that there's often a wide variety in the things we would like others to do unto us, and that assuming everybody wants what you wants often leads us to do exactly what they don't want.

That's a brilliant insight. Thanks for sharing!

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by abandonliberty on Thursday May 25, 2017 @03:41PM (#14419593)
Accommodation and compromise are zero sum. You're leaving a lot on the table if that's the extent of your paradigm.

Here's a sample model: http://righttojoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Assertive-v...

Collaboration is value-generating. It takes more effort and yields more return. Rather than 'pushing back' you work together to understand what is important to each party and find ways to meet those needs. This must be built on an equal foundation - your needle in the middle - for most effective good-faith negotiation. Your partner needs to be reasonably intelligent and reasonable for this to work.

You need to teach people what's important to you, rather than expecting them to read your mind.

Highly recommend the negotiation book 'Getting to Yes' for a thorough treatment of these concepts.

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by TeMPOraL on Friday May 26, 2017 @01:21AM (#14422153)
> Your partner needs to be reasonably intelligent and reasonable for this to work.

Most people are capable of being reasonable and behaving intelligently; they may just not be used to it. I figured this out some time ago. The way I do it if someone doesn't behave reasonably is to politely make it clear that working together on a problem is the only way they can get something from me.

"Getting to Yes" is a good book, I second the recommendation.

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by noja on Thursday May 25, 2017 @05:17PM (#14420206)
How do you collaborate on something like a technical decision which is black or white?
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by groby_b on Thursday May 25, 2017 @07:21PM (#14420883)
If your technical decisions are black or white, you work on trivial problems - collaborate to tackle a bigger issue where you need to consider tradeoffs.
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by TeMPOraL on Friday May 26, 2017 @01:18AM (#14422142)
You talk about it. Either you reach a decision you both agree on or you don't. In the latter case, it's usually more important to keep the ship sailing than to have it your way, so one of you will have to give up. If you both can't, agree on a fair procedure - like asking a third party or throwing a coin - and stick with the answer. If you disagree with the decision, you can always say your disagreement explicitly and refuse to take responsibility for it, but that's totally orthogonal to supporting it when the decision has been made.
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by inimino on Thursday May 25, 2017 @06:13PM (#14420566)
How do know there is such a thing as a technical decision which is black or white?
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by abandonliberty on Saturday May 27, 2017 @01:56AM (#14429092)
Like this:

http://www.fao.org/docrep/008/a0032e/a0032e0w.jpg

Your technical preference is a position you take to achieve your interests. To collaborate, you have to be willing to reveal and effectively articulate your underlying interests.

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by astockwell on Thursday May 25, 2017 @04:56PM (#14420098)
Indeed, as Mark Manson puts it[1]: "For a relationship to be healthy, both parties need to be able to both give and receive rejection". Eye-opening for me, and explained many of the unhealthy relationships in my life (including employee-employer dynamics).

[1] https://markmanson.net/books/subtle-art (quasi-NSFW)

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by TheSpiceIsLife on Thursday May 25, 2017 @08:17PM (#14421128)
I am at work, but I don't give a fuck.

This is the best thing I've read for a long time:

"Because when we give too many fucks, when we choose to give a fuck about everything, then we feel as though we are perpetually entitled to feel comfortable and happy at all times, that’s when life fucks us."[1]

1. https://markmanson.net/not-giving-a-fuck

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by Bakary on Thursday May 25, 2017 @09:35PM (#14421510)
Isn't that just repackaged Stoicism?
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by belenos46 on Friday May 26, 2017 @01:02PM (#14425547)
And I choose to feel okay about that.
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by Bakary on Friday May 26, 2017 @10:01PM (#14428530)
Come to think about it, it would be ironic if you didn't!
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by toothbrush on Thursday May 25, 2017 @10:23PM (#14421650)
Very strange! I recently read a similarly-titled book by a certain Sarah Knight! I think my friend meant to recommend Manson's book, and i ended up ordering and reading Knight's months ago, and only figured out now that there might have been a miscommunication. Haha, thanks HN.
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by theoh on Thursday May 25, 2017 @02:54PM (#14419281)
"Introspection" is not usually associated with standing up for yourself or your needs. It just means looking inward, which does require that you not be run off your feet taking care of others, but I've never heard it used to refer to the tactics necessary to acquire that space. "Self-advocacy" is one phrase that might be close. Or assertiveness?
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by nrjames on Thursday May 25, 2017 @03:02PM (#14419331)
In my experience, it is easier to advocate outwardly for yourself than it is to look inward and evaluate what you actually need from yourself in order to be happy. In that sense, I meant introspection. I feel like the more able I am to understand the needs and desires that drive my self-advocacy, the more effectively I can find balance in life.
Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by incongruity on Thursday May 25, 2017 @04:12PM (#14419790)
I'd argue being able to know what you need is actually the critical part of the marriage – standing up for it is only one route – but it's the self awareness (or lack thereof) that seems to drive so many relationships (marriage and business) into the ditch.

So, I think your point really was spot on. Introspection is critical.

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by okreallywtf on Thursday May 25, 2017 @03:11PM (#14419371)
I agree, I don't think it has to be an either-or type of thing. I started out being too accommodating but have gradually learned to say no more and more. Sometimes it surprises people who are used to you being overly accommodating, but if you have enough self-respect and respect your own time the surprise usually doesn't last and typically results in . Someone who is too used to you being accommodating might escalate the situation and try to challenge you but that hasn't happened to me.

My new formula is to be accommodating when it doesn't negatively affect me and if it does, make it clear that some request will be effort and I'll have to consider whether I can accommodate it (which assumes of course that it isn't an official duty). Its not about trying to force people to respect me, if I respect myself enough (for valid reasons, this doesn't excuse baseless bravado or anything) it doesn't really matter, I won't allow myself to be taken advantage of and generally that means the same thing. In a relationship (new or old) it can be as simple as when asked to do something that isn't something you would be expected to do just asking more questions about the thing. When exactly is it? How long is it going to take? You aren't being a dick by trying to factor some request into your own time, you have other things you want or need to do and 99% of the time people will respect that. Just following a request up with questions about the specifics of the request shows more self-respect that immediately being like "sure I can do that, when is it and where?", which says that you'll work around their request rather than the other way around.

I've even applied this to how I drive - I used to be much more concerned with people who were in a Great Hurry in the left lane, I would find a spot to get into the right lane even if I had to slow down to do so (usually getting me stuck behind someone who then somehow seems to be going 10mph slower than I even realized). I did this partly out of politeness and knowing how frustrating it can be to be stuck behind people, but a fair percentage of the time the person in a hurry is going 20mph+ over the speed limit and I'm probably already going 10-15 and I am passing people on the right at a fair clip and chances are there isn't even much space ahead to take up. I used to be stressed by these situations when I was less secure but now I'm not going to put myself out and dodge in and out of traffic for someone who is driving unreasonably and it doesn't stress me out to have someone raging behind me because chances are that person is going to be raging at someone no matter what, might as well be me. I'll get over for them when its safe and convenient and let them by but not at my own expense. I know this is kind of a trivial situation but it was kind of a big realization for me when I got over being stressed out by having other people be displeased with me.

Re:Why I Quit Being So Accommodating (1922) by dermybaby on Friday May 26, 2017 @12:43AM (#14422041)
I don't think it is a trivial situation. I think you are being pragmatic moving over if some dude gets antsy behind you.

Road rage is serious business. I think intent is hard to guess and we err on the side of caution. You are right that you open yourself up to mistakes if you weave and dodge through traffic. Tough call sometimes.