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Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by philfrasty on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @06:39AM (#14400196)
„But biometric authentication does not fulfill the advertised security promises“

This is completely out of context. For the average smartphone user Iris-Recognition on a phone (just like touch-ID) VS pin-disabled on the phone is a huge step forward.

Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by teamhappy on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @06:47AM (#14400225)
Here's some context:

    The patterns in your irises are unique to you and are
    virtually impossible to replicate, meaning iris
    authentication is one of the safest ways to keep your
    phone locked and the contents private.
Source: http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/galaxy-s8/security/

I think the quote is fair.

Also your pin disabled argument doesn't make a lot of sense. That's like saying 123456 is a good password because many people disable the password prompt at login.

Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by madeofpalk on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @07:45AM (#14400427)
A pin of 123456 is more secure than no pin at all.
Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by teamhappy on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @08:05AM (#14400507)
Yes, but that doesn't say anything about the security of passwords in general. (The same way that bad iris recognition being better than no auth at all doesn't say anything about the security of iris recognition in general.)
Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by hexhex on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @06:44AM (#14400217)
I can obtain an image of you online, while I need to be on-site to spot you typing your pin. So if I have your phone, I can do research at home to break in.

Additionally, you cannot change your iris once it's compromised. This is an absolute no-no for secure systems! Changing your pin is easy.

This is definitely not a huge step forward. And, as already mentioned, the average user gets misguided by exaggerated marketing promises.

Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by raverbashing on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @07:44AM (#14400420)
A random photo on the net probably doesn't have the resolution needed for Iris recognition
Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by hexhex on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @07:53AM (#14400461)
The CCC used an old digicam at medium distance. It is quite likely that such a photo is on FB, Instagram etc.

Side note: The CCC even recovered the fingerprint of the Germany's defense minister from a photo: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/30/hacker-fa...

Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by chinathrow on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @01:36PM (#14403243)
They also used the IR mode of a digicam. That hack is not possible from existing photos only, I think.
Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by raverbashing on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @08:32AM (#14400633)
Yeah then Samsung's "iris recognition" is more like "iris blur matching"
Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by jarym on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @07:02AM (#14400270)
The trouble with statements like 'for the average xyz user' is:

1. 50% of your users won't have their needs met - that's a large proportion assuming a uniform distribution

2. We can't be sure a uniform distribution in the first place is appropriate

3. If we're going to assume an average user then why don't we assume an average phone too: If the average user gets by without something today then why bother building it as a new feature?

In the end a product should not be designed for an average user. It should be designed for a well defined audience who's needs will met well by the product. If you're going to bother with fancy biometric tech as a feature and selling point then you're clearly NOT aiming at the average user who couldn't care less...

Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by ghvknvgvh on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @03:15PM (#14404277)
> The trouble with statements like 'for the average xyz user' is: 1. 50% of your users won't have their needs met

Oh come on. You know what's meant: no nerds. That's 99% of users who'll have their needs met, not 50%.

Re:Chaos Computer Clubs Breaks Iris Recognition System of th... by brentm on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @09:38AM (#14401038)
These are general consumer devices and there are trade offs. The most sophisticated hacker the vast majority of users must defeat is a prying family member or friend.