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Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by cubano on Thursday May 18, 2017 @05:51PM (#14371420)
I have a deep affinity for chess for economic reasons.

In 2002 when I went to prison in Florida for 22 months, playing chess for $1/game was my "hustle", and it allowed me to eat really well at a panhandle camp that was well known for its terrible chow.

Also, a rather odd but very beneficial side effect of my play came into focus...my chess ability seemed to convey a certain status to me by old timers on the yard, and assigned to me a certain "respect" level that basically kept me rather safe during my entire stay.

I'll admit...I wasn't always totally virtuous while hustling. I often lost to players in the beginning as to set the hook for future games and profitability.

The most interesting part is that, in reality, I kinda suck at chess in the real world by my own demanding standards.

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by da02 on Thursday May 18, 2017 @08:16PM (#14372119)
Unrelated question: Do you see any similarities between prison life and corp/work environments?

Did you get mistreated by any of the prison employees?

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by tudorconstantin on Friday May 19, 2017 @12:24AM (#14373016)
I haven't been to prison, but I've worked in corporations. Let me tell you my closely related story:

My very first job as a programmer was at a company which just started an internal chess championship. I entered the competition mainly to get to know the colleagues and have some fun, expecting them to be very strong players.

At the beginning of every match I asked them the question "IIRC the knight moves in an L shape, right?". That question was enough to make my opponents brutally underestimate my game. By the time they realised the error they made, they were in deep trouble: 5-6 pawns down, very difficult to come back. I've got my first 3 or 4 games easily won this way and the next player said something like "haha, yeah, cut the bullshit". I won that game too, but much harder. That first easy victories made win the championship in the end and got me the reputation of a smart guy.

As a junior software developer (among 12 other juniors who joined the company the same day as me), it was a nice way to make myself noticed.

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by SimbaOnSteroids on Friday May 19, 2017 @01:12AM (#14373182)
Maybe unrelated how does one go about learning chess passed "the knight moves in an L-shape"
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by noir_lord on Saturday May 20, 2017 @05:51AM (#14381643)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=049NnoR1LGE&list=PLVWaFpMwta...

GM Ben Finegold at the "Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis" he's always entertaining and his videos are packed full of content that would appeal to an average player.

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by lmm on Friday May 19, 2017 @03:19AM (#14373575)
Mainly practice. Once you've got a sense of your play style you can find openings that fit it and study the books on them, and you should do the endgame drills at some point (at least you should know how to win vs a lone king with a king and rook (easy), king and two bishops (tricky), king and pawn (position-dependent, not always possible) - I've literally never needed to do king, bishop and knight). But the main thing is to just play a lot of games.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by cglouch on Friday May 19, 2017 @01:46PM (#14377884)
There's some great chess people on youtube - I'm a fan of John Bartholomew. He has playlists called "Chess Fundamentals" and "Climbing the Rating Ladder" that are geared towards beginners who know the basics but want to start improving their play. Practicing "tactics" on sites like chess.com, lichess, or chesstempo is another good way to improve.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by Nition on Friday May 19, 2017 @01:26AM (#14373230)
Learn the moves for the other pieces. :P
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by mhb on Friday May 19, 2017 @09:06AM (#14375190)
This was here a little while ago and it is great: http://www.chesstactics.org
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by tudorconstantin on Friday May 19, 2017 @01:32AM (#14373261)
I was acting like I was one who knew the rules but was "just making sure I remember them correctly"
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by throwaway5752 on Friday May 19, 2017 @01:15AM (#14373195)
"Do you see any similarities between prison life and corp/work environments"

I haven't been to prison but I get paid for my corporate job, I get to go home, and I can quit.

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by xapata on Friday May 19, 2017 @01:26AM (#14373228)
Some people can't quit (or their families would be homeless, etc.), are only home to sleep due to time constraints, and only get paid enough to keep the cycle going.

There's a spectrum.

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by vbezhenar on Friday May 19, 2017 @03:08AM (#14373536)
Homeless is still a choice.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by Bakary on Friday May 19, 2017 @05:51AM (#14374133)
So is suicide, but usually both are colloquially implied to not be an actual choice due to how dire they are.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by posterboy on Saturday May 20, 2017 @04:32PM (#14384204)
failed to answer the question for similarities
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by Havoc on Thursday May 18, 2017 @06:12PM (#14371529)
I don't quite see how chess ability translates to safety in prison?
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by cubano on Thursday May 18, 2017 @06:43PM (#14371693)
Yeah it sure isn't immediately obvious that this would be so, but without a doubt it is true because the same experience has occurred several times since.

So I have an escape charge in Florida (escape, not absconding) for not returning to a county work release center in Orlando many years ago. This was a really dumb thing to do because now, whenever I'm jailed I often get thrown in with the "high-security" inmates whom are also known as the murderers and anyone looking at over 20-years if convicted.

My last time through the system in Florida, I must have spent 4-5 hours a day playing chess with an alleged murderer whom was infatuated with the game and trying very hard to get better. I was in for some possession charges...bullshit really but because the old escape charge there I was.

This man had deep respect in the jail as his brother was at FSP/Raiford actually on death row for an execution-style murder committed about a decade earlier. The alleged murder this man committed was related to that very incident.

Anyway, I had played his brother for several months back "in the day" and was the only person in the jail who could beat him, and to be honest, I became somewhat a legend in C-block for my game. Remember, these people in this block often sit in county jail for 3-5 years waiting for trial and such, so the "institutional memory" actually lasts a long time in such a dismal place.

Long story somewhat short: By spending so many hours teaching this man to play much much better, he put the word out that no one was to fuck with me, and I was not only really safe, but was fed and taken care of by the group.

Very odd experience, but every word true.

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by thomk on Thursday May 18, 2017 @10:02PM (#14372525)
You should write a screenplay, that's a great story.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by ransom1538 on Friday May 19, 2017 @01:25AM (#14373226)
What were you in for? 22 months? Not judging totally curious - Florida's jails are packed.

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/11/13806293-...

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by cubano on Friday May 19, 2017 @08:39AM (#14374996)
I was busted selling MDMA in a nightclub.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by PhasmaFelis on Thursday May 18, 2017 @10:01PM (#14372521)
I'd guess that anything that makes you interesting or entertaining will make you friends, of a sort, and having friends makes you less vulnerable to any random guy who's bored and unhappy and looking for someone to feel stronger than.

If folks are sufficiently hard up for entertainment that they're willing to pay a dollar (more than you'd think, in prison) for a game of chess, they're gonna value that game and its provider.

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by cubano on Friday May 19, 2017 @09:11AM (#14375241)
Absolutely...you have kinda nailed it here with both comments.

My best "customers" were actually people who had a good deal of "income" (remember...there are many millionaires in prisons all over the world) who really didn't mind losing $1 a game 1. to get better and 2. for a safe social interaction with someone like myself who has a sparkling wit and overall interesting things to say (so I've heard :)

Prison isn't really that much different then life, but the sociopaths you meet there are far more likely to be violent then the ones running your company.

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by fao_ on Thursday May 18, 2017 @06:18PM (#14371562)
It's cultural. The ability to play chess well is generally taken as an indicator that someone can plan well, think up masterful schemes, and generally out-wit other people. The result is someone that you would either not want to get on the bad side of -- especially if you take into account the fact that they are in prison -- or someone that would be handy to have around if you have anyone with a budding escape plan.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by Bakary on Friday May 19, 2017 @05:47AM (#14374112)
I would assume that the type of planning done in chess is very different from the skills you would need to do well in a prison environment, even if being good chess often implies a good intelligence baseline. Since I don't know much at all about actual prison life, I can't confirm this hypothesis. In any case, I doubt that the Machiavellian planning that is a familiar sight on TV translates well to the real world of an inmate.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by Havoc on Thursday May 18, 2017 @06:25PM (#14371592)
>generally out-wit other people

Pretty sure that in prison it's more about who's ass you can kick than who you can outwit on a chess board when it comes to safety.

>handy to have around if you have anyone with a budding escape plan.

That sounds more like Prison Break than reality.

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by flash42 on Friday May 19, 2017 @07:32AM (#14374590)
I'm pretty sure that with your IQ you can find the inconsistencies in your comment.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by MileyCyrax on Thursday May 18, 2017 @06:54PM (#14371735)
What rating would you need for something like that?
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by cubano on Thursday May 18, 2017 @06:59PM (#14371754)
On lichess I rate about a 1740 or so.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by placeybordeaux on Thursday May 18, 2017 @09:13PM (#14372361)
1740 is good!
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by ganeshkrishnan on Thursday May 18, 2017 @09:20PM (#14372390)
Lichess does not use standard rating system. I think it uses Glicko.

A 1740 on lichess would be around 1600 in standard ELO (which itself is not a bad rating)

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by PhasmaFelis on Thursday May 18, 2017 @10:08PM (#14372550)
It took me the longest time to figure out that "lichess" was not a female lich.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by arikrak on Friday May 19, 2017 @08:07AM (#14374793)
It's hard to compare Lichess-rated players to e.g. FIDE or USCF rated players, since they have different populations. It's much easier to play on Lichess than in tournaments, so Lichess probably gives higher ratings. But one could get a sample of people rated on both sites to get an idea of the rating conversion.
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by shmageggy on Friday May 19, 2017 @04:59PM (#14379313)
Actually more like 1400-1500 USCF according to these survey results https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GcVG_slcTUJfi0sQMeax...
Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by bbcbasic on Thursday May 18, 2017 @06:03PM (#14371485)
This is interesting. As clever geeks we are sort of protected form the 'big bad world' by living in expenses cities and suburbs, working with other geeks and getting paid well.

In prison I guess that counts for nothing. Except you made it count for something and created the same situation for yourself 'from the bootstraps'.

I am not going to pretend I know anything about what prison is like though.

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by cubano on Friday May 19, 2017 @12:28AM (#14373029)
You should remember that prison is way different then jail.

In prison, you have people totally isolated from society, many for a long damn time, and some are actually interested in doing things that improve their lives and of course pass the time.

Becoming the best chess player, or the best basketballer, or whatever, on the "yard" is something to aspire to, and if you have something of value to offer these convicts that helps them achieve these goals, they will respect that and pretty much leave you alone since you are helping them.

This is how my chess playing helps me...it makes them better. The only way to get better in chess is to either study hard via puzzles and books (boring) or play someone better then you (fun).

But the same thing happens in the law libraries or even the computer labs...in the music rooms and on the football fields. Talent is always recognized and smarts are in short supply in general.

Not much different from the tech world huh?

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by RugnirViking on Friday May 19, 2017 @08:47AM (#14375060)
> prison is way different then jail.

That's interesting, I wasn't aware there was a difference at all. Care to enlighten me?

Re:An Indian village addicted to chess by demonshreder on Friday May 19, 2017 @09:13AM (#14375255)
Jail is more of a holding cell - from few hours to few weeks - usually keeping the person in custody until they can be released or imprisoned.

Prison is where the person spends their sentence or waits a full sentence - usually in months or years.