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Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by fsloth on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @09:54AM (#14358419)
I don't think political murders targeting individuals are that common in the US. Or am I completely wrong?
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by coldtea on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:13AM (#14358580)
How would one know?

Because of the media, power balances, legalities etc of US life, they obviously wouldn't be doing them in an open Third World/Banana Republic style (where, depending on the country/political climate, the state doesn't hesitate much to semi-openly get rid of enemies and more or less everybody knows they did it).

Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by tome on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:44AM (#14358881)
There's not much point committing political murder unless people know about it.
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by coldtea on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @12:15PM (#14359903)
There is if you want to stop people from messing with things, exposing things you don't want the public to know, etc.
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by pvg on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:55AM (#14359005)
How would one know?

Because people who would be targets of political murders don't die at a statistically unusual rate. Unless you think they are also being secretly replaced with more pliant clones/cyborgs or we are all just copied over to a less unruly simulation. Then it would be harder to know.

Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by coldtea on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @12:18PM (#14359937)
>Because people who would be targets of political murders don't die at a statistically unusual rate.

They don't have to be well known people that you would identify as targets. In fact those would be the worst to target. They could be potential whistleblowers you never learned of, for example.

That said, sticking to well known people that could be targets, there's a large variety of those to e.g. MLK Jr, Malcom X, JFK, Robert Kennedy -- to name but a few in a single decade's span.

Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by pvg on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @01:50PM (#14360896)
These are political assassinations but they are assassinations by crazies. If you think these are government plots or that the man is secretly sending ninjas to rub out potential whistleblowers, you have to come up with some evidence otherwise it's just conspiracy theorizing. We might as well talk of alien abductions.
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by coldtea on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @02:11PM (#14361114)
>These are political assassinations but they are assassinations by crazies.

Some of them, we don't know who did them at all (e.g. MLK).

But even if that was the case, it's not difficult to manipulate a "crazy" to do something, especially if you have both crazies and guns in abundance in a country.

It would be a nice way to avoid blame for the whole thing, and you can even have some mafia figure/ex-cop collaborator kill them afterwards, before said crazies ever get to go to trial for the first murder.

>you have to come up with some evidence otherwise it's just conspiracy theorizing

You think there's much evidence in e.g. banana republic political murders too, even those where still everybody knows the government or some mogul with special interests ordered them?

Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by pvg on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @03:39PM (#14362098)
it's not difficult to manipulate a "crazy" to do something

It's not difficult to say it's not difficult. Again, it's a completely evidence-free claim.

You think there's much evidence

There isn't any evidence the government is taking out hits on politically inconvenient figures in the US. "There can't possibly be any evidence, look at some other (vaguely described, non-specific place/event) where there is also no evidence, QED" is pretty much classic conspiracy-theorist logic (if you can call it that).

Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by kingkawn on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @11:33AM (#14359446)
It is true, we are experts at effecting the social death so that the continued existence of the body is only a lingering triviality.
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by lurker456 on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @11:55AM (#14359702)
Michael Hastings and Kenneth Lay come to mind. No proof obviously.
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by tc313 on Thursday May 18, 2017 @12:59PM (#14368893)
Ken Lay's death was a life insurance scam.
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by tc313 on Thursday May 18, 2017 @12:56PM (#14368861)
Especially not AFTER they've done all the damage they can do! What's the point of killing her now?
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by jfabre on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:11AM (#14358556)
Even though it's not proved, Seth Rich comes to mind.

(edit removed the yet in "proved yet")

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Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by keehun on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:29AM (#14358728)
It's really NOT obvious. Check the trail of Fox News' "evidence" falling apart at the seams: http://digg.com/2017/who-is-seth-rich-dnc-murder-wikileaks
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by ceejayoz on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:25AM (#14358697)
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by LyndsySimon on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @01:49PM (#14360890)
It's worth noting that Brad Bauman, who is acting as spokesperson for the Rich family, is a PR expert with a long history with the DNC and supporting Progressive causes.

If he's being paid by someone closely affiliated with the Democratic Party - and I don't know that he is, I'm building an air castle here - then distancing the Rich family from WikiLeaks would be in his best interest.

This seems likely to me, as per the CNN article you linked:

> Wheeler was put in touch with the Rich family through Dallas businessman Ed Butowsky, who told CNN he had offered to pay any bills associated with the investigation.

> "You have a family who can't afford a PI. Their son was killed. So I offered to help out," Butowsky said.

If they truly couldn't afford a PI, then I doubt they could afford a top-tier PR professional to speak on their behalf.

Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by hackunomatter on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @03:01PM (#14361702)
You can keep finding tenuous connections, but in the end, there's no proof. It's all speculation, with assumptions, biased interpretations, etc.

When you don't want to accept the obvious, it's easy to just keep scratching away until you think you find something (look up pareidolia).

Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by jfabre on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:33AM (#14358777)
All right, is wikileaks also doing that for political reasons? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/10/wikileaks-offers-.... And we're supposed to trust that the family actually knows what really happened?
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by ceejayoz on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:38AM (#14358836)
> All right, is wikileaks also doing that for political reasons?

Quite possibly. After all, they're against leaks when they're aimed at Trump: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/817322050297745408

> And we're supposed to trust that the family actually knows what really happened?

The supposed bombshell yesterday fell apart, as conspiracy theories tend to do.

Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by jfabre on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:51AM (#14358955)
Thanks for taking the time to reply to me and not just down-voting. I'm actually learning what your point of view on the story is.
Re:Chelsea Manning released from prison by _jal on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @11:29AM (#14359406)
Oh my god, that tweet.

Assange has no more self-awareness than he did in the 90s, when we were on a mailing list together.

Or than a turnip, for that matter.