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Re:The Boring Company FAQ by BurningFrog on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @02:18AM (#14356069)
One problem is that trains only move an insane amount of people that are all going the same way.

Another problem is that all those people have to walk to and from the end station.

A "packet switched" system of sending individual cars at high speed solves both those problems, and going just by my gut feel, should have a quite high throughput too.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by ACow_Adonis on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @03:38AM (#14356366)
Here in Melbourne, I used to have a bit of a "gut feel" that it might not be efficient to give over two entire lanes of our roads to our light rail vehicles. Having two lanes sit empty for so long between trams seemed so wasteful. And for what, a single vehicle to come through every minute or two?

Then I sat at an intersection one day and counted how many individuals were being moved through two lanes of regular car traffic vs how many came through on the light rail.

I was shocked by how inefficient regular traffic is.

So now MY gut feel is that without any technological breakthrough, this sort of system would already be starting with an order of magnitude disadvantage: which is to say, shockingly inefficient compared to allready available technology and solutions...

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by so33 on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @02:24AM (#14356094)
>One problem is that trains only move an insane amount of people that are all going the same way. Another problem is that all those people have to walk to and from the end station. A "packet switched" system of sending individual cars at high speed solves both those problems, and going just by my gut feel, should have a quite high throughput too.

People are walking from the station to these giant office towers in central London. The walk from the Tube station to the office must only take 5-10 minutes, total. My gut feeling says the throughput won't be high specifically because you'll have 800 or so people trying to get out at the same place at roughly the same time.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by BurningFrog on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @02:08PM (#14361086)
Sure, this system works great in the center of one of the biggest cities in the world. That's not in dispute.

Where mass transit struggles is in getting people from one arbitrary spot to another at an arbitrary time.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by lmm on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @07:40AM (#14357471)
The throughput will be tiny because cars take up so much space. http://humantransit.org/2012/09/the-photo-that-explains-almo...
Re:The Boring Company FAQ by monk_e_boy on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @09:09AM (#14358026)
And cars more inefficiently in groups. When at lights, the first car pulls away, then the second, etc etc...

There is a delay between each car which after 20 cars really adds up.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by BurningFrog on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @03:44PM (#14362146)
This doesn't apply to the centrally controlled car delivery system Musk is planning.
Re:The Boring Company FAQ by schiffern on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @04:27PM (#14362484)
> This doesn't apply to the centrally controlled car delivery system Musk is planning.

How would that work? Now it's true that there won't be any delays caused by drivers not paying attention, but unless the cars will go 125 mph with only a couple meters of space between them (eep!) the cars will require a non-zero delay "off the line" to allow them to spread out as they gain speed.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by BurningFrog on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @05:17PM (#14362868)
I don't think they need any space between them as long as they're on the same path. They're parked on centrally controlled carriages.

How fast they can fork and merge is more interesting, and I dare not have an opinion about that.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by lmm on Thursday May 18, 2017 @03:54AM (#14365536)
Centrally controlled trains are still required to be spaced out by their stopping distance. The only way this or hyperloop will do better than trains is through regulatory arbitrage.
Re:The Boring Company FAQ by Piskvorrr on Thursday May 18, 2017 @08:00AM (#14366497)
Quite the opposite: the requirement to be spaced out by their stopping distance is regulatory arbitrage; if the design was "it might, in corner cases, crash and injure people, but who cares, they knew the risk", you could run trains far closer together (which happens all the time in manually controlled streetcars: tailgate the other tram and pray the guy in front won't slam the brakes).
Re:The Boring Company FAQ by lmm on Thursday May 18, 2017 @09:17AM (#14366913)
Regulatory arbitrage is when you profit from a difference in regulations. If someone could figure out how to run a train but have it regulated as a car (with car-like safety properties) they would be able to run an extremely high-capacity service; I suspect this is Musk's gameplan.
Re:The Boring Company FAQ by BurningFrog on Thursday May 18, 2017 @11:43PM (#14372871)
They all change speed at the same time, so there is no need to space them out.