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Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by throwanem on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:26PM (#14343357)
> Experts' Exchange, which was basically an earlier version of Stack Overflow

Expert Sex Change was garbage, though. If it hadn't been as terrible as it was throughout its life, Stack Overflow wouldn't have taken off nearly as easily or as well as it did. I mean, I like to grouse as much as the next graybeard over how SO has gone downhill - and it has - but it's still miles and miles better than the metaphorical and deeply unmourned Superfund site that predeceased it.

Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by alanbernstein on Monday May 15, 2017 @06:12PM (#14345615)
What's your problem with the current state of SO?
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by throwanem on Monday May 15, 2017 @06:21PM (#14345688)
It's full of people who can't be bothered to do even the most trivial investigation into their own damn bugs - the same trivial "I didn't configure it lol" and "I have no idea what I'm doing, nor interest in developing one, fix my thing for me plz" bugs that the site already has a dozen answers for. It stays that way because volunteer moderators don't want to wade through sewage all day. So it goes.

The topic-specific SE sites are often better; Emacs.SE, just off the top, is consistently of very high quality, with maintainers of several high-profile packages and Emacs itself regularly active there. But I abandoned any attempt to participate on SO proper years ago, and rarely even check there except on the off chance that some weird exception has an obvious cause that'll save me a source dive on a library or some similar large investment of time.

Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by cm2187 on Monday May 15, 2017 @07:09PM (#14346019)
There are also many questions that I asked myself or googled and that I found shot down by overzealous SO moderators before someone could bring some element of response.
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by d0lph on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @01:51PM (#14351677)
"Just google it"

>First google result

Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by alanbernstein on Monday May 15, 2017 @11:14PM (#14347116)
Fair, but that's the point of upvoting questions, no? As someone who uses SO through google searches 95% of the time, I mostly see high quality discussions.
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by data_hope on Monday May 15, 2017 @11:43PM (#14347225)
The best discussions are usually marked off topic or 'no good fit" or "not of use for future readers"
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by wst_ on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @07:03PM (#14354113)
And that's OK because discussions tend to lean in different direction, very often, and before you know it you are talking about something completely different. If you are sticking to the topic and have something really important to add, don't worry, moderators won't get in the way.
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by alanbernstein on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @09:31PM (#14354891)
Yea - that's my biggest beef with SO currently, what I thought OP would say when I asked him.
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by adrianratnapala on Monday May 15, 2017 @06:55PM (#14345929)
On SO I pride(d) myself on asking good questions. That is formulating the question clearly and precisely was itself a kind of investigation. Often, the question never go finished, because the work of writing it up caused me to solve my original problem.

Probably SO should have weighted question upvotes at least as high as an answer upvote. Now it would take stronger medicine: e.g. pushing questions by people with low rep down the list.

Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by soperj on Monday May 15, 2017 @07:29PM (#14346122)
I feel like you should still ask the question, and then answer yourself shortly afterwards. It'll help others in similar situations, and you might just get a better answer from someone else.
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by throwanem on Monday May 15, 2017 @07:18PM (#14346062)
Same. I think I've asked one question ever on SO, and it got no answers - fair enough; I didn't have one, either.

What to do about it, I've no idea. I have the rep for most mod powers, but the Augean stables lack appeal. Beyond that, I wouldn't presume to venture a suggestion.

Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by fivestar on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @12:47PM (#14351028)
You could do a blog of your own to capture whatever it is you found out.
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by fivestar on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @12:46PM (#14351024)
One problem is that the correct answers have to change over time and SO does not account for that except by having drive-by downvotes from dweebies who have no business even answering questions.

I used to answer questions on SO, but got so tired of arguing with idiots that I decided it wasn't worth my time anymore. It's too bad, too, because I strongly believe in "giving back" where I can and SO was a way to do that. No more. I still google for answers on there all the time, though.

Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by chrshawkes on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @02:33PM (#14352092)
so sorry to see you go.
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by wand3r on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:31PM (#14343390)
> Expert Sex Change

You may want to edit...

Edit: Well; that explains why the service didn't take off

Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by throwanem on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:33PM (#14343406)
And I may not. That was the constant nickname back in the day, occasioned by the fact that their original domain was "expertsexchange.com". They later moved to one with a hyphen, but by then the damage was done.

(Edit to your edit: It did take off! It was the best we had for years. That best was just very, very bad.)

Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by ryanmarsh on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:39PM (#14343449)
Remember joking with colleagues back then about sourceexchange.com and how that sounded out loud.
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by jaredsohn on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:50PM (#14343545)
penisland was another famous site from the time with this property.

Edit: It was a site that sold pens; I think the alternative pronunciation of their domain name was unintentional.

Edit 2: I think I was wrong. Snopes says they did sell pens but they chose the name intentionally: http://www.snopes.com/business/names/domains.asp. Some other such names from that link: powergenitalia.com, molestationnursery.com, and whorepresents.com.

Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by throwanem on Monday May 15, 2017 @02:22PM (#14343808)
Did it ever actually sell pens? I always understood it to be a joke; if it's been anything else, I'd love to know more.
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by throwanem on Monday May 15, 2017 @06:25PM (#14345700)
Snopes talks about penisland.net, which is still up now and clearly a joke - a rather disappointing effort, in fact, with a few rather broad double entendres and nothing further to offer.

I was curious about the (presumably) original .com, which is now squatted, and about which there seems no historical information easily to be found.

Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by doug1001 on Monday May 15, 2017 @09:40PM (#14346769)
don't know about the website, but "Pen Island" is/was a small shop on Regents Street in London (not far from Picadilly Circus tube station) that sold high end fountain pens, mechanical pencils, etc. Don't know if it's still there, but it was list time i was in the UK (2007)
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by andlrc on Monday May 15, 2017 @03:23PM (#14344346)
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by wand3r on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:54PM (#14343591)
Pen island? What was it supposed to be?
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by throwanem on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:59PM (#14343617)
A joke - a "domain hack" avant la lettre.
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by eriknstr on Monday May 15, 2017 @05:21PM (#14345224)
penis land
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by Jugurtha on Monday May 15, 2017 @02:27PM (#14343853)
Here's Peter Norvig explaining this stuff: https://youtu.be/yvDCzhbjYWs?t=24m37s
Re:What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack O... by pacificleo11 on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @12:06AM (#14347300)
true . Other such nameswere therapistfinder -> The Rapist Finder Whorepresent -> Whore Present